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AlphDoti wrote:
Now you're digressing. That's not a contention now. You can keep that as issue to be handled after the one above. Right now, let us finish "whether Prophet Muhammad pbuh is credible or not". Then we come to others. There are so many prophets my friend.
I think I am well within the issue, Alphdoti. You opine that Isaiah prophesied the coming of Mohammed and his Qur'an. You have cited 2 instances where you allege Isaiah prophesied so. All I am asking is whether you think I should take what Isaiah says as the truth. Should I believe Isaiah's prophecies? Then you and your pals conjure up a phantom Bahira to buttress Isaiah's 'prophecies'. As to whether Mohammed is credible or not, I already told you what I think of him - a street preacher, a charlatan and a nag. Just like Owuor.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
Now you're digressing. That's not a contention now. You can keep that as issue to be handled after the one above. Right now, let us finish "whether Prophet Muhammad pbuh is credible or not". Then we come to others. There are so many prophets my friend.
I think I am well within the issue, Alphdoti. You opine that Isaiah prophesied the coming of Mohammed and his Qur'an. You have cited 2 instances where you allege Isaiah prophesied so. All I am asking is whether you think I should take what Isaiah says as the truth. Should I believe Isaiah's prophecies? Then you and your pals conjure up a phantom Bahira to buttress Isaiah's 'prophecies'. As to whether Mohammed is credible or not, I already told you what I think of him - a street preacher, a charlatan and a nag. Just like Owuor. @muriel 1. My opinion about Isaiah is not the issue now. We are now talking about credibility of prophet prophecised by Isaiah. 2. Your asking whether you should take Isaiah as truth is up to you to decide. We can discuss that later if you want 3. I'm saying you are jumping here and there and not focusing. First, you said Muhammad (pbuh) is not credible because he was just a street preacher. I told you that is not criteria. Secondly, you said he is not credible because he was stoned and exiled by his people. I told you many of the credible prophets and messengers, which Muslims and Christians believe went through the same. Thirdly, I gave you evidence of his prophecy. That's where we were before you started trying to digress and asking me about credibility of the book of Isaiah.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, when you claim to know whom you are talking about, then you should argue based on his principles. Oh! Alright. You mean to say he was not mistreated in the streets of Mecca that he fled to Medina? There is a hadithi that following his mistreatments in the streets, he took shelter under a tree in Taif and complained to Allah "O Allah, I complain to you for my inability. I pray to you to lead these people to the right path." Hence not only was he a street preacher, but a nag as well. @muriel, so Jesus was not a prophet because he was arrested beaten and crucified was he fake? Was John the baptist fake because they chopped off his head? Was Zachariya (Zachariah) fake because they chopped him in half? Was Musa (Moses) fake because his people refused to follow him into the promised land? Was Ibrahim (Abraham) fake because his people banished (exiled) him from their country? Was Yusuf (Joseph) fake because his brothers plotted against him?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel
1. My opinion about Isaiah is not the issue now. We are now talking about credibility of prophet prophecised by Isaiah.
2. Your asking whether you should take Isaiah as truth is up to you to decide. We can discuss that later if you want
3. I'm saying you are jumping here and there and not focusing. First, you said Muhammad (pbuh) is not credible because he was just a street preacher.
I told you that is not criteria. Secondly, you said he is not credible because he was stoned and exiled by his people. I told you many of the credible prophets and messengers, which Muslims and Christians believe went through the same. Thirdly, I gave you evidence of his prophecy. That's where we were before you started trying to digress and asking me about credibility of the book of Isaiah.
Then why did you bring it up if it is not the issue? In my criteria, Mohammed is as credible as Owuor and that other phantom guy you introduced. I see nothing else to talk about them. You cherry picked and introduced Isaiah. If Isaiah prophesied the truth about Mohammed, Arabic and Qur'an then he also prophesied the truth about someone else. Do you agree?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel, so Jesus was not a prophet because he was arrested beaten and crucified was he fake?
Was John the baptist fake because they chopped off his head?
Was Zachariya (Zachariah) fake because they chopped him in half?
Was Musa (Moses) fake because his people refused to follow him into the promised land?
Was Ibrahim (Abraham) fake because his people banished (exiled) him from their country?
Was Yusuf (Joseph) fake because his brothers plotted against him?
Jesus was true John was true Zechariah was true Moses was true Abraham was true Joseph was true Mohammed was a charlatan, a molester, a nag and a fake. Like Owuor.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
@muriel
1. My opinion about Isaiah is not the issue now. We are now talking about credibility of prophet prophecised by Isaiah.
2. Your asking whether you should take Isaiah as truth is up to you to decide. We can discuss that later if you want
3. I'm saying you are jumping here and there and not focusing. First, you said Muhammad (pbuh) is not credible because he was just a street preacher.
I told you that is not criteria. Secondly, you said he is not credible because he was stoned and exiled by his people. I told you many of the credible prophets and messengers, which Muslims and Christians believe went through the same. Thirdly, I gave you evidence of his prophecy. That's where we were before you started trying to digress and asking me about credibility of the book of Isaiah.
Then why did you bring it up if it is not the issue? In my criteria, Mohammed is as credible as Owuor and that other phantom guy you introduced. I see nothing else to talk about them. You cherry picked and introduced Isaiah. If Isaiah prophesied the truth about Mohammed, Arabic and Qur'an then he also prophesied the truth about someone else. Do you agree? @muriel, what did I bring up? The credibility of Isaiah IS NOT AN ISSUE NOW, please read my sentence properly. You're the one bringing that up. How many times do I repeat by saying we can discuss it later if you want? You have a lot to talk about Muhammad (pbuh). You always have  Now you are talking. I agree to your last question. Now, let me ask you, what does the Bible say about Muhammad?
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Why are you guys fretting and fussing over what you will obviously not see eye to eye on ? Muriel let alphdoti believe what he wants to believe Alphdoti let muriel believe what he wants to believe wacheni hizi ego contests.. this is not about understanding anything anymore its about winning an arguement. But If you wish to continue the downward spiral.. go on right ahead... 
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Mtu Biz wrote:Why are you guys fretting and fussing over what you will obviously not see eye to eye on ? Muriel let alphdoti believe what he wants to believe Alphdoti let muriel believe what he wants to believe wacheni hizi ego contests.. this is not about understanding anything anymore its about winning an arguement. But If you wish to continue the downward spiral.. go on right ahead... Mtu Biz, my brother. There is more ego in the dissection of Odumbe's character. That image makes me feel I am boring you. Perhaps I have upset you and disregarded your expectations of something particularly exciting. I am sorry if I have offended you. Only that I am not here primarily for the sake of a third party's feelings. I am 'practising'. Rehearsing for much more earnest efforts to overthrow something I hold dear in the only way I know how. If that is ego ,,,,, I did not know.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:@muriel, what did I bring up? The credibility of Isaiah IS NOT AN ISSUE NOW, please read my sentence properly. You're the one bringing that up. How many times do I repeat by saying we can discuss it later if you want? You have a lot to talk about Muhammad (pbuh). You always have Now you are talking. I agree to your last question. Now, let me ask you, what does the Bible say about Muhammad? The sooner you tackle it the faster you will get it out of the way. Then if you agree, (finally got you to agree to something) that Isaiah said the truth about someone, then that someone died for you. Didn't see that coming? From my understanding of the bible, it says that Mohammed is the angel of the bottomless pit from which arose a thick dark smoke that blackened the air and obscured the sun of righteousness saying he did not do anything for anyone. How can there be little to talk about for such a man?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Another Friday's sunset coming up.
Alphdoti & brother, see you later.
This is definitely a good time to take brother's advice - ain't no time to fret and fuss.
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