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Kenya Power - what's the latest?
S.Mutaga III
#201 Posted : Monday, January 05, 2015 4:10:20 PM
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Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion.
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jerry
#202 Posted : Monday, January 05, 2015 5:51:07 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Good company, but too much government control. The government will never let go of this company due to its monopoly status and the fact that it is a utility company. There is always a flip side of being a long term business partner with the government. It does not really care about profits and operates at the expense of minority shareholders. Good valuation, bad long term business partner...so a bad counter in my humble opinion.

Chairman Marende should make a difference in the way KP is ran.
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stockshunter
#203 Posted : Monday, January 05, 2015 7:08:27 PM
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https://mobile.twitter.c.../552132576551661569?p=v Will this make a difference?
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mthaka
#204 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:21:37 AM
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http://www.businessdaily...1/-/v2ourd/-/index.html

this is great news and bad news for the banks!!
stocksmaster
#205 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 9:58:35 AM
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mthaka wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Banks-lose-out-as-Kenya-Power-gets-Sh45bn-to-pay-loans/-/539550/2580702/-/item/1/-/v2ourd/-/index.html

this is great news and bad news for the banks!!


Two pieces of information this week that shows that Kenya Power is on the right track:

1. The borrowing of Ksh 45B from World Bank at 2% p.a in order to repay bank loans that were taken at commercial rates hence saving Ksh 1.5B p.a.
2. The reduction of electricity system losses by 2.5%; each 1% reduction in system losses saves Ksh 1B hence the 2.5% reduction is equivalent to Ksh 2.5B.

Those two moves alone will save the company Ksh 4B which will reflect on the profits. The M.D has already projected pre-tax profits for 2015 to hit Ksh 15B (from last years Ksh 10B)hence a 50% rise in pretax profits......its easy to see that the two moves above alone are able to generate that increase.

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streetwise
#206 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 10:13:34 AM
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I congratulate the energy minister..he seem to understand what hails the energy sector. My wish is others could make such bold moves.

Please dont read politics here, my opinion only
MaichBlack
#207 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:07:48 AM
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As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.

Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit.
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mkonomtupu
#208 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 11:38:45 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.

Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit.


Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management.

keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade
MaichBlack
#209 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 1:09:53 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.

Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit.


Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management.

keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade

Do we buy shares based on current performance and projected performance or performance for 13 years ago???

Where were Equity, KCB et. al in 2002??
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
mkonomtupu
#210 Posted : Wednesday, January 07, 2015 1:22:03 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
As we are busy discussing the disadvantages of Government controlled companies we forget the advantages like ability to borrow at lower rates. 2% is more than free money. If you factor in inflation, it's like Kenya Power are actually being paid to take the money.

Traditionally, government owned companies are mismanaged leading to reduced profits or in most cases, losses. This is not the case with Kenya Power and Kenya Re. These two companies turn in a handsome profit.


Aiii..wee mboss Kenya power was insolvent in 2002(with kshs 5 billion loss) surviving at the mercy of creditors and the goodwill of government. The restructuring worked but it is still a work in progress but it's good to see this giant awakening but it still has a lot of old-school mindset in its ranks. Retiring expensive loans is big kudos to management.

keny Re has junk status credit rating(BBB) oops sorry below investment grade

Do we buy shares based on current performance and projected performance or performance for 13 years ago???

Where were Equity, KCB et. al in 2002??


All i'm saying is that the market does not give guarantees. Kenya power could very easily be stuck with a lot of idle power from the 5000MW project and still end up in the insolvency trap again.
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