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Britam buys HFCK shares from Equity
obiero
#41 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 8:55:34 AM
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hata hfck, equity au britam zifike 1000 bob na uko na 100 shares only.. hata tuktuk bado hutaweza nunua. the real beneficiaries here are the big mboys. nevertheless, I am happy for those who are already in

HF 90,000 ABP 3.83; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
mlennyma
#42 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:17:04 AM
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With our dirty politics there will be good entry points every now and then.but for now the market seems used to political noise until politics are taken a notch highier.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
VituVingiSana
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:43:45 AM
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Kausha wrote:
@Erickson you are very asleep. Equity doesn't need much money to do the mobile business. They will not be selling calling minutes only sms to their banking network.

Look at this deal from the Britam end and you will see what is happening. I am amazed how only a few seem to see what is happening. Anyways ketini hapo hapo na muketi na amani na umoja as baba Moi would often tell us.

See you in 2 years when HF is 200bob plus.
On this one, I think you have lost your usual sense of rationality Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Whereas HFCK lags other banks in PER & PB... 200 in 2 years? Wow! I sold out for now but I will be back... at a lower price once things settle down. I like the management.

Please do share your views. What am I not seeing?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#44 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 12:13:27 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Kausha wrote:
@Erickson you are very asleep. Equity doesn't need much money to do the mobile business. They will not be selling calling minutes only sms to their banking network.

Look at this deal from the Britam end and you will see what is happening. I am amazed how only a few seem to see what is happening. Anyways ketini hapo hapo na muketi na amani na umoja as baba Moi would often tell us.

See you in 2 years when HF is 200bob plus.
On this one, I think you have lost your usual sense of rationality Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Whereas HFCK lags other banks in PER & PB... 200 in 2 years? Wow! I sold out for now but I will be back... at a lower price once things settle down. I like the management.

Please do share your views. What am I not seeing?


Why would Britam want 46% when they already have 21%? More board room control and decision making power? NO. I think they wanna buy the damn whole thing out in the near to medium term!

A case study is Pan Africa insurance, We know what happened when Sanalam started buying.

But im not so concerned about this. HFCK is paying me amazing dividend yeild, the company is growing at a very impressive rate. Even minus britam buying it out, 100.00 in the next 3 years is my target. I said this some time last year and @Obiero told me i must be smoking the good stuff. If the growth of profits continues then its only a matter of time for the EPS to catch and even leave the current price.

@VVS That is called speculating smile. Nothing hurts a value investor more than watching a targeted share leave you behind. But from where where you bought it makes sense, coz we may go back there (30's) in the not so distant future. this is clearly an overshoot, when the excitement dies the price will stabilize downwards.
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dunkang
#45 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:32:14 PM
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murchr
#46 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 5:43:47 PM
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obiero wrote:
hata hfck, equity au britam zifike 1000 bob na uko na 100 shares only.. hata tuktuk bado hutaweza nunua. the real beneficiaries here are the big mboys. nevertheless, I am happy for those who are already in


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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VituVingiSana
#47 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 6:31:06 PM
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murchr wrote:
obiero wrote:
hata hfck, equity au britam zifike 1000 bob na uko na 100 shares only.. hata tuktuk bado hutaweza nunua. the real beneficiaries here are the big mboys. nevertheless, I am happy for those who are already in


Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you Sour Grapes @Obiero ... That said, I am in the same boat as Obiero as regards shares in HFCK.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#48 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 6:35:29 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Kausha wrote:
@Erickson you are very asleep. Equity doesn't need much money to do the mobile business. They will not be selling calling minutes only sms to their banking network.

Look at this deal from the Britam end and you will see what is happening. I am amazed how only a few seem to see what is happening. Anyways ketini hapo hapo na muketi na amani na umoja as baba Moi would often tell us.

See you in 2 years when HF is 200bob plus.
On this one, I think you have lost your usual sense of rationality Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Whereas HFCK lags other banks in PER & PB... 200 in 2 years? Wow! I sold out for now but I will be back... at a lower price once things settle down. I like the management.

Please do share your views. What am I not seeing?


Why would Britam want 46% when they already have 21%? More board room control and decision making power? NO. I think they wanna buy the damn whole thing out in the near to medium term!

A case study is Pan Africa insurance, We know what happened when Sanalam started buying.

But im not so concerned about this. HFCK is paying me amazing dividend yeild, the company is growing at a very impressive rate. Even minus britam buying it out, 100.00 in the next 3 years is my target. I said this some time last year and @Obiero told me i must be smoking the good stuff. If the growth of profits continues then its only a matter of time for the EPS to catch and even leave the current price.

@VVS That is called speculating smile. Nothing hurts a value investor more than watching a targeted share leave you behind. But from where where you bought it makes sense, coz we may go back there (30's) in the not so distant future. this is clearly an overshoot, when the excitement dies the price will stabilize downwards.
As a 'value investor' HFCK outran all my expectations. I reviewed it again before selling and the fundamentals did not sit right based on my projections.
I used the 1Q results as my basis BUT if the 2Q result blow them out of the water then I will regret selling!
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The optimist
#49 Posted : Thursday, July 03, 2014 6:48:21 PM
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VituVingiSana
#50 Posted : Wednesday, July 09, 2014 9:49:35 AM
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Britam might as well write-off the Uganda market for Life Insurance

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Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The optimist
#51 Posted : Tuesday, January 06, 2015 12:44:18 PM
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