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Best Money Market fund in Kenya
peterkngeno
#61 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 11:48:24 AM
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mkonomtupu
#62 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 2:08:42 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
XSK wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
mchambuzi wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
If you are not in a hurry, you are better off buying NSE blue chips to the end of time..


why buy shares with dividend yields of 1-5% when you can get 8-10% on the money market without risking your capital


8-10%? Thats low, inflation is at 7.15% although in actual sense its usually much higher. That means you are making 2-3% gain. In shares you can make more from capital gains not just the dividends. I would opt for a portfolio of blue chip companies if I was risk averse


To make it easier, assume you had been buying SCOM, BAT and KCB shares over the past three years.

Look at the share price appreciation and dividend yield and that money market fund is exposed as a joke.


At that point the dividend yield was good 7-10% but right now the same stocks are over-valued e.g SCOM has p/e of 36(overvalued highest should be 18). That means you to wait 36 years. It's unlikely that company earnings will match up with those prices any time soon. For the record i bought my shares at rock bottom prices KCB 21, NIC 24, kengen 8.3 but I have taken capital gains and re-invested in money market. It depends on timing


@Mkonomtupu

Thanks for that education on the money market fund. Its basically a place to keep/park your money as you wait for an opportunity to strike! Meanwhile the money will not be losing value.


I assume I am talking to Wazua veterans here.

And where do we imagine these fund managers take your money? HAHA

Let us put this in perspective. After waiting 12 solid months, the fund promises me 8-10% in a country with 7% inflation at best and we are happy?

To put this to rest.

Buy KQ today 13.50, sell on 2015 FY announcement.

Buy NBK today 31.75, sell by March 2015.

Buy HFCK today 33.75, sell March 2015.

NB: Any negative NSE reaction on sign of fed tapering and sell the above before Sept 2014 for a lower re-entry.

We shall compare notes at this time next year OR before Sept 2014.

And just to hammer the point closer home, buy SCOM TODAY at 11.70/= and sell by this 2014 full year results in June therabouts. Between now and then, price appreciation estimate is 13.50, that is 15% up from TODAYs 'over valued' price for this GROWTH stock!! HAHA



I decided to check out your calculations over this lazy period
Assuming I had put in a million equally into your four stocks i.e. 250,000
KQ=250,000/13.5=18518*8.5=157,407
NBK=250,000/31.75=7874*24.5=190944
HF=250,000/33.75=7407*45=333333
Safcom=250,000/11.7=21367*14.05=300,213
Total =981,899

Money market=1,000,000*0.093(effective annual yield)=93000
Total=1,093,000
mkonomtupu
#63 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 2:15:47 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Hi debt gurus. I've seen CiC have a fixed income fund. The returns are higher than the Money market fund.

My question. What makes the fixed income more risky and what is its worst case scenario


Fixed income you are talking of more bonds and the inverse relation between interest and bond price. Its risky if there is no liquidity for the bonds and you need your cash asap
Aguytrying
#64 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 2:57:31 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Hi debt gurus. I've seen CiC have a fixed income fund. The returns are higher than the Money market fund.

My question. What makes the fixed income more risky and what is its worst case scenario


Fixed income you are talking of more bonds and the inverse relation between interest and bond price. Its risky if there is no liquidity for the bonds and you need your cash asap


thanks. I read about junk bonds. I guess its hard to tell which bonds the fund is invested in as well.

overall I'm thinking a mix of the two would be the best way to go, with more weight on the money market than the fixed income.

The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#65 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 7:02:52 PM
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@mkonomtupu. ref post # 62.

nice expose on the risk with lack of diversification. I'm sure the stock investor was confident of a 30% - 50% gain in a bull market.

10% percent for bonds looks smallbut the truth is bonds outperform stocks more often than most investors would like to admit.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Kausha
#66 Posted : Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:36:18 PM
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Speculz wrote:
As we close the year 2014, any reviews on the various money market funds ? both good and bad ...

Money market funds are your equivalent of fixed, call and sacco savings. Its all about the net effective annual yield. Everything else is garnish.
S.Mutaga III
#67 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 10:55:18 PM
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2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Wondergirl
#68 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:31:52 AM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015
S.Mutaga III
#69 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:39:10 AM
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Wondergirl wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015

I am thinking of putting my cash in Zimele for a guaranteed 9% p.a paid monthly.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Wondergirl
#70 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:45:32 AM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015

I am thinking of putting my cash in Zimele for a guaranteed 9% p.a paid monthly.

I will follow you there, your broker shall be my broker. Thanks
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