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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Kausha wrote:At what margin? KK off 2014 numbers will clearly demonstrate oil distribution is first and foremost a margin game then volumes.
KK does business in 10 countries. Market share in Kenya not the only indicator of business performance. But the whole brothe is stired in Kenya!!! Wish all guys who love KK a Merry Xmas and a waiting 2015 year of better DVDDs
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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I asked here what's the input of the 9 countries in kks profit because they seem to be just the names. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/30/2008 Posts: 6,029
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Another opinion on Business Daily, I wonder if it is valid as I no longer trust our papers!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.businessdaily...8/-/v84ykuz/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Is it True That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses? Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015? Or is it Business Creaming?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/29/2006 Posts: 2,570
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Realtreaty wrote:Is it True That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses? Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015? Or is it Business Creaming? What do you mean final year ending 2014 or you meant final quarter? The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/25/2012 Posts: 4,105 Location: 08c
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Realtreaty wrote:Is it True That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses? Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015? Or is it Business Creaming? Book closure for corporate actions (dividends, bonuses, rights etc) refers only to closure of shareholder REGISTERS and not financial/accounting books Pesa Nane plans to be shilingi when he grows up.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/14/2009 Posts: 244
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Realtreaty wrote:Is it True That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses? Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015? Or is it Business Creaming? When the year closes, and as yo say, the company takes stock of all assets and liabilities. They then embark on preparing the final books of accounts. This may take sometimes depending on company's systems, operating procedures and approval processes. The account are then submitted to the external auditor, who have to confirm them. The process may be long is the auditor raises issues. Once the auditors give their opinion, the results are released. Given these processes, it is not practically feasible for any company to release the final accounts in Jan. Even those that release theirs in the month of Feb/Mar are those with superior systems such that by the time they close the year, their financials are more or less ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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Will the SuperDogs rise to close the year with a bang? How far can KK move up by 31 Dec, 2014. What is the best deal , under 10 or over 10?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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stock.enigma wrote:Realtreaty wrote:Is it True That for those stocks with Final Year Ending 2014 actually close their accounting books on 31/12/2014 and start stock taking? Then why the delay in FY results untill Feb, March, April etc and have another Book closure for the Dividends or bonuses? Why all the Drama as again the First quarter stand by itself again for 2015? Or is it Business Creaming? When the year closes, and as yo say, the company takes stock of all assets and liabilities. They then embark on preparing the final books of accounts. This may take sometimes depending on company's systems, operating procedures and approval processes. The account are then submitted to the external auditor, who have to confirm them. The process may be long is the auditor raises issues. Once the auditors give their opinion, the results are released. Given these processes, it is not practically feasible for any company to release the final accounts in Jan. Even those that release theirs in the month of Feb/Mar are those with superior systems such that by the time they close the year, their financials are more or less ready. Year end closing has no relationship to stock taking. Stock taking is done at any time, to verify physical stocks. Books closure can rely on booked items, which auditors check on a test basis to ascertain correctness. With good verifiable systems you don't have to stock take at year end.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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@Gordon, the guy was very close to the answer. Ofcourse annual stock taking is done and is a requirement for proper auditing as there is no approximations and or is done with the help of quarter stocks taking if verified.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote:Will the SuperDogs rise to close the year with a bang? How far can KK move up by 31 Dec, 2014. What is the best deal , under 10 or over 10? Sub 8.9...action will come in from Feb..get in now if you can... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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closing at 8.70 for the year 2014 is not a laughing matter. Lets See how far it can go up just before the FY2014
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Am about to get back in on this play. I saw someone buy at 8.6 and hopefully a 8.5 will print tomorrow "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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murchr wrote:Am about to get back in on this play. I saw someone buy at 8.6 and hopefully a 8.5 will print tomorrow 8.50 should print. I'm seeing the share has shaken those demons of sub 8.00. The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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If nothing else KK should benefit from lower oil prices as it (like other OMCs) sell cheaper fuel at higher prices (coz ERC formula lags) BUT it can suffer if oil prices start rising. 2014 is done. I hope they have made the turnaround but the hard work of re-buidling the brand has started. Can Ohana and the Board guide KK to the huge (Operational) profits of days past? Ultimately, the firm has to be sold to a deep pocketed Strategic Investor. If the books have cleaned up, can Puma return for a second look? [This may be as a buy-out of existing shareholders or new shares issued i.e. recapitalization] Fuel/Oil Hedges - Expired? [I think so] Currency Hedges - Expired? [I think so] Bad Debts - Collected or Written Off? [I doubt] My jua kali way to look at it is to visit their stations. I see some improvement since June 2014. They stations are cleaner and stocked/wet. There is a lot that needs to be done but if progress continues a this rate then there may be hope in 2015. Sale of KK. I hoped it was 2015 but I think it will a 2016 play. The biwotts would want clarity on the CGT. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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Read on the internet a few days ago (can't remember which site) on the richest ten Africans. Bikini was there with 99B. It also said he had completely exited petroleum.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,297
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The main funny and queer thing is having bought the last quarter oils at higher price and they are selling at lower price. The order for 1st quarter 2015 had been placed at maybe relkatively higher price as well. Now everyone from Mumias to Rea are preparing their FY2014 things!!!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,124 Location: Nairobi
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Realtreaty wrote: The main funny and queer thing is having bought the last quarter oils at higher price and they are selling at lower price. The order for 1st quarter 2015 had been placed at maybe relkatively higher price as well. Now everyone from Mumias to Rea are preparing their FY2014 things!!! Yes and No. The ERC pricing is based on loading done in the past 2 months so the selling price reflects it. And if the loading [if bought 60 days ago but received/sold after the downward ERC price change] price is higher than ERC's price, the ouch! The good news is KK has stopped or reducing ordering cargoes. The bad news is that KK isn't making money on ordering cargoes. Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/21/2010 Posts: 6,183 Location: nairobi
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The sellers of this thing never get tired,and the current management of kk needs to be crowned an award of keeping quiet. "Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2010 Posts: 5,040
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mlennyma wrote:The sellers of this thing never get tired,and the current management of kk needs to be crowned an award of keeping quiet. ha ha your right. they must also have many shares so sell for soo long. the management may be overcompensating the previous ceo The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
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