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Of Pirates and Property Values!!!
Zakumi
#1 Posted : Saturday, January 30, 2010 10:48:27 AM
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Probably you've been wondering why you long stopped thinking of buying property within the city's precincts....or maybe why the so called bubble isnt letting up just yet....read along and you will wonder no more..

Case one
Just last week a client of somali descent(warlaloh) walked into a renowned Real Estate company with the intention to buy a particular apartment in Nairobi's Kilimani area.The asking price was 11million.On being told this the client asked to be taken to site for viewing.After viewing the property,the somali..oh! sorry,the client started bargaining as is the usuall case.So after a session of haggling there was a mutual understanding 9.5m was to be the price...what followed next defied the agent's experience and imagination.....The client flashed out the 9.5m in bundles of 1000k and foreign currency...well about what followed your guess is as good as mine.

scenario 2
In the month of December a city resident owning a house in Karen hardy was approached by the an African of Somali descent....u guessed right! they wanted to buy her house.But apparently they faced stiff resistant from this woman who had attached sentimental value to his house.Going by market rates the house would ask for something in the region of 15m which our good neighbours offered.

The woman showed no keen interest and infact told them off.They even offered to double their price but she had non of it...snd so they went.After one week the woman was left speechless when the clients called and told her they will give her triple the price...everyone has a price and so was the woman's sentimental fixations.She gave in and yes the somali are now the prowd occupants of that house.

Now you know where the 45Billion revenues from piracy(according to the unaudited accounts for the year ending 2009) go to.....and you probably know why you wont be able to buy property in the city if the trend is not curbed...unless you venture into piracy yourself.







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Radiance
#2 Posted : Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:05:37 PM
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During the same period..how many kikuyus, merus, luhya, njemps, kales, chutes, odieros and nigerians bought houses. Stop with the hate
sparkly
#3 Posted : Saturday, January 30, 2010 6:00:41 PM
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@zakumi, sorry to say but you are exhibiting a shortage mentality. If another person buys a house for 10m or 50m, does that make you poorer? Does it mean the land gets finished? Just buy what you can afford then sell it to them for tripple the price.
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Zakumi
#4 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 7:02:29 AM
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@Radiance this is not hateration its just facts..if anything some of my best friends are somalis..needless to add that there is a high likelyhood that my better half could have somali traces..

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Zakumi
#5 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 7:22:10 AM
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@Sparkly,...shortage mentality!!! how so now?? educate me....anyway probably i would have said as much if i didnt have the facts and prerequisite deductive skills within my grasp.

I was hoping that you would see beyond the fine print above but then again that was just hoping...By now i know you understand that price and demand of any commodity are positively correlated...so we have a scenario whereby a few distinct individuals with lots of cash from unchecked outside sources introduce this cash in the property submarket(in this case within particular city estates)...whats more,these individuals are willing to part with any amount of cash,irrespective of the market price,if only to acquire the properties they want.

So eventually the house prices and rents shoot up because the equilibrium is adjusted upwards.

Your argumant can only hold if these cases are few and isolated but im sorry to say that they are increasing at an exponetial rate,i mean 45billion is about 10% of our national budget and to just assume it like that is a recipe for disaster.

Let me give you one perfect case in point...In south C houses that were asking for 5-6m about 3years ago are now going for not less that 8.5m(the cheapest fyi)and lets not even get started on which are the predominant residents in this nmeighbourhood.

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Bashka
#6 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 11:47:42 AM
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@Zaikumi. What you are saying doesn't make sense. Property prices have risen everywhee in Kenya, i mean even in your village. Why are you pointing to South C, while other areas like South B, West, Langata, Doonholm, Pangani....prices are up. The reason for the hike in prices is the high demand against supply.Also, Kenya's middle income group live in this areas meaning demand is up.

Yes there is piracy money in Kenya, but not of this magnitude and Real estate industry is bigger than piracy. Still, prices in areas like Lavi, Runda, Muthaiga...have all increased, how can you explain this? Areas like Eastleigh has been ignored by the Govt in terms of infrustructure development. I believe it should be given the same status as Westlands. Because of this negligence the Govt is loosing revenue. And with good infrustructure,a property in Eastleigh and Westlands should be priced equally.
mukiha
#7 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 12:42:37 PM
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Zakumi wrote:
..if anything some of my best friends are somalis..


When some one says this sort of thing, be very careful with them.

Do you not remember what happened during Kenya's PEV? Married couples from opposing tribes separated because their families were fighting. I am sure before the PEV there were people claiming that "in fact, my in-laws are tribe X"

Reminds me of caucasians who say they do not care about the colour of a person, be they black, white, blue or green. It leaves me wondering where they saw blue and green people!
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Zakumi
#8 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 1:58:03 PM
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I think its in my best interest to rest my case..but not my conviction on this matter...atleast until my research prooves otherwise
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wote
#9 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 4:42:56 PM
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Zakumi, i think most of the readers here are failing to see the reason and how the scenario's you have discribed affect them directly. I repeat there is no country in any civilised world where some one just walks in and buys property. He or she must show the sources of such money and / or simply money must go thru the banking system.So if Kikuyu's Luos etc are buying the same property one can simply trace the source thru the banks and acertain whether its proceeds from crime or not.

Another point, some one tried to argue that even the swiss have stolen money in their banks/ yes they do but such money is only kept in a swiss a/cs but cannot buy used to buy property in Switzerland.

look at the property market in Kenya against the average wage of Majority kenyans,then you will notice that average kenyans simply can not afford to buy houses in their own country.

And what are fundemental driving property prices? zero viewed from service delivery point of view. Take for instance Karen, why would someone buy a house here for 40m, no sewer system,no runing water, no security, no rubbish collection and you pay a service charge equivalent of a mortage repayment. And when would one recoup his/her investment on such property asuming its for income? probably never in hers/his life time.
Dear Good people with that i believe there is need for the Government to rethink this piracy money issue.Remember these people were actually not buying this properties before piracy, take it or leave it that is the hard truth.
poundfoolish
#10 Posted : Monday, February 01, 2010 7:05:36 PM
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I too wonder why people are not getting that point..
It is not a lie piracy money is being laundered thru real estates, i started hearing the complaints almost 2 years ago..

if you want to prove its true do the calcutaions, price of land + price of construction. Compare that to current asking prices and you will realise some pple have 'money to spend'..
In my honest thoughts.. it could be a windfall that is pretty systemic as it could be longterm...
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