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But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.Exodus 33:20"No one has seen God at any time.”John 1:18 And when Moses arrived at Our appointed time and his Lord spoke to him, he said, "My Lord, show yourself to me that I may look at You." The Almighty said, "You will not see MeQuran 7:143Mark 12:29
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:symbols wrote:1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.  That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth... So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty  Aren't Muslims Jews?  Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad??? Asi! And here I am thinking that Muslims are descendants of Ishmael Ama Ishmael nor his father Abraham, were Jews? @mukiri, if you cannot know simple things like tribes, how would you understand scholarly stuff like what changes have been made in Bible version 1952 or 1971 or 2012? Read Matthew 2:6 Jacob's name was to "Israel" by God. 12 sons of Jacob became 12 tribes of Israel. 12 tribes of Israel is the House of Jacob. The house of Jacob is House of Israel. Israelites are the Jews Gentile = not Israelite Gentile = non Iraelite Gentile = Jang'o = not Israelite Gentile = Kaleo = not Israelite Gentile = Kyuk = not Israelite Gentile = Lunje = not Israelite Gentile = Kamba = not Israelite Gentile = Masai = not Israelite Gentile = Indian = not Israelite Gentile = Chinese = not Israelite Gentile = British = not Israelite Gentile = Italian = not Israelite http://www.theevidence.o...tions/abraham_chart.gif
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Excuse concoction is harmful to your health. Hii ni ng'ombe ya Museveni Ata uiambie nini haiwezi shika Some nyeuthi go to church and sing " We're Jews, we're Israelites", not knowing they are not Jews Matthew 10:5 After Jesus had taught his twelve disciples, he sent them out, and commanded them saying: "Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter into any city of the Samaritans. Go only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel." So a Gentile is anybody who is not Jewish. And a Gentile includes all other mankind. So if you are not a Jew or if you are not Israeli then Jesus himself tells you that he was not sent for you.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?
If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?
Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true. It's not about distributing wealth evenly. It's about enabling the one down to rise, and the wealthy to uplift the poor. Wealth among the rich should not become a commodity amongst them. Wealth should not be a monopolized. That means we cannot allow free-market principle. For example, in Islam, things are put in place to prevent monopoly. When you prevent monopoly, you increase quality and decrease price.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?
If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?
Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true. It's not about distributing wealth evenly. It's about enabling the one down to rise, and the wealthy to uplift the poor. Wealth among the rich should not become a commodity amongst them. Wealth should not be a monopolized. That means we cannot allow free-market principle. For example, in Islam, things are put in place to prevent monopoly. When you prevent monopoly, you increase quality and decrease price. This isn't just a personal opinion, but is also a self contradictory idea especially with regard to usury. It's difficult to say this is a Divine law.
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Attend muhadharas. A certain point just might be made clearer by either side. Your understanding will increase. The refined point you will make in the future based on this currently increased understanding will win a friend. Benefits.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?
If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?
Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true. It's not about distributing wealth evenly. It's about enabling the one down to rise, and the wealthy to uplift the poor. Wealth among the rich should not become a commodity amongst them. Wealth should not be a monopolized. That means we cannot allow free-market principle. For example, in Islam, things are put in place to prevent monopoly. When you prevent monopoly, you increase quality and decrease price. This isn't just a personal opinion, but is also a self contradictory idea especially with regard to usury. It's difficult to say this is a Divine law. Look at the title of the thread. Those who go to church on Sat or Sun with Bible in hand, now know that USURY or INTEREST is prohibited in the Bible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?
If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?
Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true. It's not about distributing wealth evenly. It's about enabling the one down to rise, and the wealthy to uplift the poor. Wealth among the rich should not become a commodity amongst them. Wealth should not be a monopolized. That means we cannot allow free-market principle. For example, in Islam, things are put in place to prevent monopoly. When you prevent monopoly, you increase quality and decrease price. This isn't just a personal opinion, but is also a self contradictory idea especially with regard to usury. It's difficult to say this is a Divine law. Look at the title of the thread. Those who go to church on Sat or Sun with Bible in hand, now know that USURY or INTEREST is prohibited in the Bible. That doesn't mean what am saying hasn't come from learning from the Bible! Lessons from the Bible are neither finite nor restricted to popular opinion or sentiment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?
If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?
Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true. It's not about distributing wealth evenly. It's about enabling the one down to rise, and the wealthy to uplift the poor. Wealth among the rich should not become a commodity amongst them. Wealth should not be a monopolized. That means we cannot allow free-market principle. For example, in Islam, things are put in place to prevent monopoly. When you prevent monopoly, you increase quality and decrease price. This isn't just a personal opinion, but is also a self contradictory idea especially with regard to usury. It's difficult to say this is a Divine law. Look at the title of the thread. Those who go to church on Sat or Sun with Bible in hand, now know that USURY or INTEREST is prohibited in the Bible. That doesn't mean what am saying hasn't come from learning from the Bible! Lessons from the Bible are neither finite nor restricted to popular opinion or sentiment. @tycho, from the concept of "man-god", then you'll have a law that keeps changing. That's why it keeps changing, new versions all the time. But the law from Almighty God, the Creator of this Universe is valid for all situations. Because the thought is infinite. Jeremiah 8:8 "But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a LIE."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:AlphDoti wrote:tycho wrote:@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?
If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?
Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true. It's not about distributing wealth evenly. It's about enabling the one down to rise, and the wealthy to uplift the poor. Wealth among the rich should not become a commodity amongst them. Wealth should not be a monopolized. That means we cannot allow free-market principle. For example, in Islam, things are put in place to prevent monopoly. When you prevent monopoly, you increase quality and decrease price. This isn't just a personal opinion, but is also a self contradictory idea especially with regard to usury. It's difficult to say this is a Divine law. Look at the title of the thread. Those who go to church on Sat or Sun with Bible in hand, now know that USURY or INTEREST is prohibited in the Bible. That doesn't mean what am saying hasn't come from learning from the Bible! Lessons from the Bible are neither finite nor restricted to popular opinion or sentiment. @tycho, from the concept of "man-god", then you'll have a law that keeps changing. That's why it keeps changing, new versions all the time. But the law from Almighty God, the Creator of this Universe is valid for all situations. Because the thought is infinite. Jeremiah 8:8 "But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a LIE." Mentioning 'God' or 'Divine law' won't hide your ignorance @AlphDoti. Even Kanyari does it like you do.
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