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Why we have poverty in plenty-David Ndii
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Lolest! wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi? Definitely they should all have access to school. The issue is that sometimes there is more focus on access to education and not enough on quality. Policies/measures to improve education should tackle both simultaneously. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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butterflyke wrote:Lolest! wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi? Definitely they should all have access to school. The issue is that sometimes there is more focus on access to education and not enough on quality. Policies/measures to improve education should tackle both simultaneously. @butterflyke, access comes first and then quality. When a person is hungry, you first give them something to fill the tummy and then administer a balanced diet later. Now we can start the quality debate as almost 99% of children are in school. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 11/14/2012 Posts: 10
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I beg to differ. The major reason for low performance is indiscipline. Most of the time the teacher is doing crowd control. Numbers don't matter discipline matters (Wazazi wachapwe kiboko!) Now someone should do research on the above.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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goldenberg wrote:I beg to differ. The major reason for low performance is indiscipline. Most of the time the teacher is doing crowd control. Numbers don't matter discipline matters (Wazazi wachapwe kiboko!) Now someone should do research on the above. Still, don't you think it'd be far much easier for 70 teachers to 'control' 3000 pupils than a measly 30 teachers? Ultimately, quality. Same thing is happening in healthcare by the way. Free maternity care with not a single extra nurse employed. Result? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/21/2013 Posts: 2,841 Location: Here
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Lolest! wrote:Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
To a large extent, I agree with the views espoused in those two articles, which, coincidentally I was reading just yesterday. I have always held that, in a predominantly agricultural economy like ours, a gov't that wishes to lift the greatest number of people out of poverty needs to do one thing: fix agriculture, right from access to inputs, irrigation, marketing, storage, etc. This is not to say that other sectors like construction are not important, far from it. But, given the limited resources against so much need, I would personally dedicate proportionately more resources to agriculture than to these others. After all, didn't the agrarian revolution precede the industrial revolution? Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Rankaz13 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
To a large extent, I agree with the views espoused in those two articles, which, coincidentally I was reading just yesterday. I have always held that, in a predominantly agricultural economy like ours, a gov't that wishes to lift the greatest number of people out of poverty needs to do one thing: fix agriculture, right from access to inputs, irrigation, marketing, storage, etc. This is not to say that other sectors like construction are not important, far from it. But, given the limited resources against so much need, I would personally dedicate proportionately more resources to agriculture than to these others. After all, didn't the agrarian revolution precede the industrial revolution?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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Rankaz13 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Quote:The mandarins tell us that it is because the economy is not growing fast enough. We need to grow by at least 7 percent, but preferably 10 percent per year to reduce unemployment and poverty.
But why is it not growing at 7 percent, despite our sleek new roads? Will the new railway do the trick?
And why is it that the ordinary Tanzanian is also struggling, despite more than a decade of 7 percent growth? http://www.nation.co.ke/...2/-/59k4gf/-/index.html
http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/sg3pm4z/-/index.html
To a large extent, I agree with the views espoused in those two articles, which, coincidentally I was reading just yesterday. I have always held that, in a predominantly agricultural economy like ours, a gov't that wishes to lift the greatest number of people out of poverty needs to do one thing: fix agriculture, right from access to inputs, irrigation, marketing, storage, etc. This is not to say that other sectors like construction are not important, far from it. But, given the limited resources against so much need, I would personally dedicate proportionately more resources to agriculture than to these others. After all, didn't the agrarian revolution precede the industrial revolution? what about the 1million acre irrigation project? he also doesn't credit UMK for the ESP fish ponds.. I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html So what happened to the teachers (drop from 45 to 28)? Did they run away after seeing the tsunami of pupils? However the good thing is that there are now 1800 more students at the school who are accessing education thanks to the free primary education. The govt plus kidero should now avail more resources to cater for the extra pupils. When your family increases, you cook the ugali in a bigger sufuria, you don't continue using the old one and leave the kids hungry.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Free education is not the cause of poor performance in public schs. Economists are not meant to offer solutions rather their objective is to give a "if-then-else-" kind of scenario analysis. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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I fail to agree with David Ndii. Kenyans need to change their mindset from the victim mentality that someone owes them something least of all the government. Most of the rich people in Kenya from our fathers time to now have worked their butts off and climbed from crippling poverty. That philosophy hasn't changed... look at Octopizo and the rest, were they lucky? I doubt. You work hard and God rewards you and no one else. You become corrupt and God won't stand by you. I like the free primary education, it has given millions of children a foundation, stepping stone that wasn't there before. BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Gathige wrote:butterflyke wrote:Lolest! wrote:mkonomtupu wrote:The problem with economists they will never make you rich but will always tell you why you are poor. David Ndii came up with some fancy free primary education which was adopted by Kibaki. The effects of that policy will be gravely felt by the poor for many years. Look at olympic primary school Quote:“The obvious reason (for our fall in performance) is the surge in pupils since the introduction of free primary education,” says the school deputy headteacher Caleb Ochieng’.
On the other hand, the number of pupils has doubled since 2003, Mr Ochieng’ added, while the number of teachers has reduced drastically.
“In 2002, the year preceding the introduction of free learning programme, we had a total number of 45 teachers and 1,710 pupils,” he said.
“Now we have 28 teachers and a student population of 3,500 pupils,” he said.http://www.nation.co.ke/news/Why-top-school-lost-its-lustre/-/1056/2152240/-/u40nkl/-/index.html I think FPE was agood social/economic project. All those students wangeenda wapi? Definitely they should all have access to school. The issue is that sometimes there is more focus on access to education and not enough on quality. Policies/measures to improve education should tackle both simultaneously. @butterflyke, access comes first and then quality. When a person is hungry, you first give them something to fill the tummy and then administer a balanced diet later. Now we can start the quality debate as almost 99% of children are in school. @Gathige, during Kib's terms, access was the focus. It is now time to focus on quality too. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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I was only making the point the David Ndii's is sometimes vodoo and has a lot of unintended consequences. Going by his thinking if Mexico is good at narcotics the govt there should pump more to increase GDP, or somali govt should encourage piracy, warped thinking.
Some of us left the village and left those small farm holdings linked with people who went to good schools and with networks and by sheer hard work and exploiting opportunities we are where we are. Those we left in the village are still poor and with many kids to feed.
Now on FPE, if you have looked at the math scores and english compositions written you will be shocked at what you are calling learning. If you are an employer you know how the CVs look nowadays and how many end up in the dustbin. In the 1990's if you told me you went to olympic primary school i would take a look at your CV right now it ends up in the dustbin. That's real life not utopia like David Ndii's
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Why skyscrappersand superhighways are not developmentQuote:In an earlier article, I asked why we were building a railway line next to another one instead of one from Lamu to Thika. Silence. Quote:Let us suppose that he succeeds spectacularly, builds his technocity within a year and creates 100,000 jobs contributing $2.5 billion to the economy annually (equivalent to five per cent of GDP, about the same as the mobile phone industry). How much will the techno-city contribute to growth?
In the year that it comes into being, it would bump up growth by five percentage points, that is, if the economy would have grown by five per cent otherwise, growth will be 10 per cent.
Thereafter its contribution to growth will be zero. The techno-city will have expanded the economy one off, but it will have no impact on the growth rate thereafter (for the mathematically inclined, an intercept shift with no change in slope).
What we will end up with is a high productivity enclave unconnected to the rest of the economy.
The Lappset project exhibits the same enclave thinking.
The counties that it traverses have over 70 per cent of our livestock, but remarkably, the livestock economy does not feature at all in the project – an issue I have raised with the authorities in charge of the project. If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2011 Posts: 627 Location: Mbui-Nzau, Kikumbulyu
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Ndii is very similar to the British mps who were arguing against the lunatic express..which inadvertently created Kenya as we know it..its understable that his schooling cannot farthom complex roll over effects of grand projects because they cannot or have not been captured in his formulas and school of thought
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/8/2007 Posts: 808
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I find David to be very realistic and practical. We have been fed hype about how we need standard gauge and not meter gauge which is loads of bolony. USA largely uses meter gauge to move loads of cargo on trains moving at 100kph. What we needed to do is replace certain sections of the track that are in bad shape and buy locomotives. RVR is busy doing that and in a year or two you will see the difference. We should be using that loan to build referral hospitals in all counties and equiping them. Cost of health care is a serious challenge and resource drainer in a majority of households.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2008 Posts: 46 Location: Embu
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I like Ndii thoughts on growth... The government should rethink their strategy..focusing all our efforts and investment on 'mortar and stone' will only create a few billionaires (chicken gangs) who will benefit from the restricted tendering process. If this government is keen on uplifting the welfare of the whole population, if its keen on sustained economic growth, we should look beyond the physical structures, we need to invest more in human capital and health;we need quality workers.
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/17/2006 Posts: 94
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Kenya is still crawling out of the mess that was left after the 24 years of barbaric rule and utter plunder of our resources. We have to start somewhere - a road, an electric connection here and there and yeah those brick and mortar stuff is a somewhere to start.
I will give a simple example - the 33km Eastern Bypass from Embakasi to Ruiru. Since the construction of this road, there has been aggressive development of the immediate areas along the area where this road passes and even further. Both commercial and residential structures have sprouted overnight along this route. We are talking of fuel stations, supermarkets, countless SMEs which in extension have created jobs both directly and indirectly. Think of the ripple effect.
According to Ndii's argument, one can deduce that Kenya would have relatively been better [economically] if the expenditures incurred for construction of this road were diverted to advance an agricultural project somewhere else. I beg to differ. Kenya's agricultural practices are mostly subsistence and these methods are far outdated and another major problem is that land is severely sub-divided.
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