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guru267
#21 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:50:41 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Mukiri
#22 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:51:11 AM
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guru267 wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
2. Jesus is a racist. He only came for the Jews!
(a). Jesus sent his 12 disciples "and commanded them saying, GO NOT into the way of the Gentiles, or any city of the Samaritans ENTER YE NOT... only to the lost sheep of THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL (to the Jews only)." Matthew 10:5-6

(b) A Canaanite woman begged Jesus, saying Lord, help me (to cure my daughter). But Jesus answered and said, it is not good take children's food and CAST IT TO DOGS (the non-Jews)." MATTHEW 15:24-26


3. I will continue....


@Alph how dare you call the Messiah a racist?? The Qur'an and Bible say his first coming was only to the children of Israel but that does not make him a racist!

Besides we all know on his 2nd coming he will rule the whole earth under the law of Muhammad!

You should kick out this ignorant infidel from your camp.. Or atleast teach him something, if only to keep his ignorance to himself. He does you more harm than good.

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#23 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:54:57 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#24 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:57:25 AM
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guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!

Proverbs 19:21
guru267
#25 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:29:35 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!


Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad???
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#26 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:37:04 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?


Jesus is the Christ!

Christ = Anointed with the Holy Spirit!

So it is impossible to be anointed with the Holy Spirit unless you are also the Christ!

How can a sinner like all sons of Adam ever be like Christ who is not a sinner???

We can always try to live like him but it is impossible to succeed as long as you are defined as a sinner!

That is why Muhammad was sent to the world... Because he was just like any of us!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
tycho
#27 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:45:10 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?


Jesus is the Christ!

Christ = Anointed with the Holy Spirit!

So it is impossible to be anointed with the Holy Spirit unless you are also the Christ!

How can a sinner like all sons of Adam ever be like Christ who is not a sinner???

We can always try to live like him but it is impossible to succeed as long as you are defined as a sinner!

That is why Muhammad was sent to the world... Because he was just like any of us!


It's possible to be defined as a sinner and yet be able to emulate Christ. This is because definitions are subject to conditions and conditions can change.

And these conditions are explicated in the Bible.

Therefore the justification given for Muhammad's coming is clearly doubtful.
guru267
#28 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:51:02 PM
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tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?


Jesus is the Christ!

Christ = Anointed with the Holy Spirit!

So it is impossible to be anointed with the Holy Spirit unless you are also the Christ!

How can a sinner like all sons of Adam ever be like Christ who is not a sinner???

We can always try to live like him but it is impossible to succeed as long as you are defined as a sinner!

That is why Muhammad was sent to the world... Because he was just like any of us!


It's possible to be defined as a sinner and yet be able to emulate Christ. This is because definitions are subject to conditions and conditions can change.

And these conditions are explicated in the Bible.

Therefore the justification given for Muhammad's coming is clearly doubtful.


So how does a born sinner emulate one who is not capable of sin??

Can an apple emulate an orange?
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
AlphDoti
#29 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:52:22 PM
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3. Usury or taking or giving interest is sin
"If you lend money... you shall not charge INTEREST" Leviticus 25:35-37
"He that... hath given forth usury, and has taken INTEREST; shall he live? He shall not live, he has done abomination, he shall surely die" Ezekiel 18:13
"You shall not charge INTREREST..., interest on money, food or anything that may be loaned on interest... you shall not charge interest so that your Lord your God may bless you" Proverbs 28:8


That's why we have Sharia compliant trading in Islam. Because, anything that involves "riba", or usury and interest, is considered haram in Islam.

4. I will continue...
tycho
#30 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:22:12 PM
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guru267 wrote:
tycho wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?


Jesus is the Christ!

Christ = Anointed with the Holy Spirit!

So it is impossible to be anointed with the Holy Spirit unless you are also the Christ!

How can a sinner like all sons of Adam ever be like Christ who is not a sinner???

We can always try to live like him but it is impossible to succeed as long as you are defined as a sinner!

That is why Muhammad was sent to the world... Because he was just like any of us!


It's possible to be defined as a sinner and yet be able to emulate Christ. This is because definitions are subject to conditions and conditions can change.

And these conditions are explicated in the Bible.

Therefore the justification given for Muhammad's coming is clearly doubtful.


So how does a born sinner emulate one who is not capable of sin??

Can an apple emulate an orange?


Yes. An apple can emulate an orange. It's a matter of genetic information self organizing.

There's this expression, 'Muui huwa mwema'. The human mind is very dynamic, definitions can't stick.
tycho
#31 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:31:20 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
3. Usury or taking or giving interest is sin
"If you lend money... you shall not charge INTEREST" Leviticus 25:35-37
"He that... hath given forth usury, and has taken INTEREST; shall he live? He shall not live, he has done abomination, he shall surely die" Ezekiel 18:13
"You shall not charge INTREREST..., interest on money, food or anything that may be loaned on interest... you shall not charge interest so that your Lord your God may bless you" Proverbs 28:8


That's why we have Sharia compliant trading in Islam. Because, anything that involves "riba", or usury and interest, is considered haram in Islam.

4. I will continue...


All law must have a context. Is the present context the same as those of Leviticus? In fact, if one were to compare and contrast the two contexts and apply a similar rule of nature, then one could appreciate the charging of interest rates now, and also appreciate the Leviticus law.

No. Books of law and laws can't and shouldn't be embraced without prudence.
AlphDoti
#32 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:16:13 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
3. Usury or taking or giving interest is sin
"If you lend money... you shall not charge INTEREST" Leviticus 25:35-37
"He that... hath given forth usury, and has taken INTEREST; shall he live? He shall not live, he has done abomination, he shall surely die" Ezekiel 18:13
"You shall not charge INTREREST..., interest on money, food or anything that may be loaned on interest... you shall not charge interest so that your Lord your God may bless you" Proverbs 28:8


That's why we have Sharia compliant trading in Islam. Because, anything that involves "riba", or usury and interest, is considered haram in Islam.

4. I will continue...

All law must have a context. Is the present context the same as those of Leviticus? In fact, if one were to compare and contrast the two contexts and apply a similar rule of nature, then one could appreciate the charging of interest rates now, and also appreciate the Leviticus law.

No. Books of law and laws can't and shouldn't be embraced without prudence.

@tycho, yes the laws written by human beings keep changing and shouldn't be embraced without prudence.

But divine laws are perfect. It's applicable to human race at all times.

So scriptural economic takes away the concept of INTEREST in an economic environment. The Bible, the Quran says interest is prohibited. The Quran says interests is an immoral economic principle. The reason is that interest is an impediment to the creation of wealth. Therefore it is an impediment to the distribution of wealth.

Why do I say this?
If you take interest out of the transaction, it means more money in the hands of the individuals. For example, in an Islamic society there is no such thing as taxation. The only form of taxation is what what we call ZAKAT, it is a form of spiritual tax. It takes away 2.5% of YOUR RESIDUAL INCOME. When that person has more money in the form of not paying interest in a financial transaction, he injects it into the society to allow businesses and entrepreneurship.

Also, there is no INCOME TAX in Islamic society
For example in Kenya, we have an equivalent of 30% income tax, America has 40% income tax. In Islam, there is only that 2.5% flat rate tax, which means more money on the hands of Individuals, therefore there economic stimulus to inject back into the society.

IMPORTANT: Ellen Brown has done a case study on Canada about impact of Interest in an economy.
Mukiri
#33 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:25:41 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!


Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad???

Asi! And here I am thinking that Muslims are descendants of Ishmaeld'oh! Ama Ishmael nor his father Abraham, were Jews?

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#34 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:33:29 PM
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guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?


Jesus is the Christ!

Christ = Anointed with the Holy Spirit!

So it is impossible to be anointed with the Holy Spirit unless you are also the Christ!

How can a sinner like all sons of Adam ever be like Christ who is not a sinner???

We can always try to live like him but it is impossible to succeed as long as you are defined as a sinner!

That is why Muhammad was sent to the world... Because he was just like any of us!

I like it that you know about 'anointing' by the Holy Spirit. Remember when the disciples were 'anointed'? And they spoke in tongues?

Proverbs 19:21
guru267
#35 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:48:27 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
John 5:30 "By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but Him who sent me"

How can the man who said this be God?? Liar

He was man


Thank you...

Who is God?

God is Almighty... Jesus is not as shown above!

God is All knowing... Jesus is not because he is clueless of the last day!

The Messiah is nothing but a servant of Yahweh!

True. On earth, Jesus Christ was flesh and blood, like you and me. Its why, its possible to emulate Him. He was about love, forgiveness etc And He never killed anyone, in deed or by anger. Reckon, you can hack being like Him?


Jesus is the Christ!

Christ = Anointed with the Holy Spirit!

So it is impossible to be anointed with the Holy Spirit unless you are also the Christ!

How can a sinner like all sons of Adam ever be like Christ who is not a sinner???

We can always try to live like him but it is impossible to succeed as long as you are defined as a sinner!

That is why Muhammad was sent to the world... Because he was just like any of us!

I like it that you know about 'anointing' by the Holy Spirit. Remember when the disciples were 'anointed'? And they spoke in tongues?


So the disciples were also Christs??

Simon Peter Christ, James Christ etc??? Laughing out loudly
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
guru267
#36 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:51:03 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!


Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad???

Asi! And here I am thinking that Muslims are descendants of Ishmaeld'oh! Ama Ishmael nor his father Abraham, were Jews?


Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael were no Jews!

To be a Jew is to live by the law of Moses... When Moses came the three were long dead!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
AlphDoti
#37 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 4:52:13 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!

Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad???

Asi! And here I am thinking that Muslims are descendants of Ishmaeld'oh! Ama Ishmael nor his father Abraham, were Jews?

@mukiri, if you cannot know simple things like tribes, how would you understand scholarly stuff like what changes have been made in Bible version 1952 or 1971 or 2012?

Read Matthew 2:6 Jacob's name was to "Israel" by God.

12 sons of Jacob became 12 tribes of Israel.
12 tribes of Israel is the House of Jacob.
The house of Jacob is House of Israel.
Israelites are the Jews
Gentile = not Israelite
Gentile = non Iraelite
Gentile = Jang'o = not Israelite
Gentile = Kaleo = not Israelite
Gentile = Kyuk = not Israelite
Gentile = Lunje = not Israelite
Gentile = Kamba = not Israelite
Gentile = Masai = not Israelite
Gentile = Indian = not Israelite
Gentile = Chinese = not Israelite
Gentile = British = not Israelite
Gentile = Italian = not Israelite




tycho
#38 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:42:18 PM
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@AlphDoti, while I may agree with you that Divine laws exist and that they apply in all contexts I realize that you're not clear as to what exactly is a Divine law. Like in this case is the Divine law the expectation that wealth must always been distributed fairly and evenly or is it that some forms of interest shouldn't be charged at all and in all contexts?

If it's a matter of wealth distribution, is it true that usury must necessarily make most people poor? How did you arrive at this conclusion? How will you know that something is fair?

Sorry, but these justifications of faith don't pass as reasonable or true.
tycho
#39 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:45:13 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!

Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad???

Asi! And here I am thinking that Muslims are descendants of Ishmaeld'oh! Ama Ishmael nor his father Abraham, were Jews?

@mukiri, if you cannot know simple things like tribes, how would you understand scholarly stuff like what changes have been made in Bible version 1952 or 1971 or 2012?

Read Matthew 2:6 Jacob's name was to "Israel" by God.

12 sons of Jacob became 12 tribes of Israel.
12 tribes of Israel is the House of Jacob.
The house of Jacob is House of Israel.
Israelites are the Jews
Gentile = not Israelite
Gentile = non Iraelite
Gentile = Jang'o = not Israelite
Gentile = Kaleo = not Israelite
Gentile = Kyuk = not Israelite
Gentile = Lunje = not Israelite
Gentile = Kamba = not Israelite
Gentile = Masai = not Israelite
Gentile = Indian = not Israelite
Gentile = Chinese = not Israelite
Gentile = British = not Israelite
Gentile = Italian = not Israelite






Excuse concoction is harmful to your health.
Mukiri
#40 Posted : Saturday, November 22, 2014 8:39:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
guru267 wrote:
symbols wrote:
1 John 2:22 - Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Applause

That's why Im so glad we Muslims accept Jesus as the Christ and our Messiah who is the son just like Adam in Luke 3:38! The real truth...

So the liars must be the Jews who called him a bastard and the Christians who said he was God Almighty Sad

Aren't Muslims Jews?d'oh!

Huh... how can Muslims be Jews if Jews deny both Christ and Muhammad???

Asi! And here I am thinking that Muslims are descendants of Ishmaeld'oh! Ama Ishmael nor his father Abraham, were Jews?

@mukiri, if you cannot know simple things like tribes, how would you understand scholarly stuff like what changes have been made in Bible version 1952 or 1971 or 2012?

Read Matthew 2:6 Jacob's name was to "Israel" by God.

12 sons of Jacob became 12 tribes of Israel.
12 tribes of Israel is the House of Jacob.
The house of Jacob is House of Israel.
Israelites are the Jews
Gentile = not Israelite
Gentile = non Iraelite
Gentile = Jang'o = not Israelite
Gentile = Kaleo = not Israelite
Gentile = Kyuk = not Israelite
Gentile = Lunje = not Israelite
Gentile = Kamba = not Israelite
Gentile = Masai = not Israelite
Gentile = Indian = not Israelite
Gentile = Chinese = not Israelite
Gentile = British = not Israelite
Gentile = Italian = not Israelite






Excuse concoction is harmful to your health.

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Proverbs 19:21
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