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AlphDoti wrote:washiku wrote:AlphDoti wrote: Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijab prevents women from being molested. Please explain why the ladies in Hijab also get raped? What attracts the rapist? Why did NTV run a programme recently on grandmas being harassed/molested sexually recently? Is it about their mini skirts too? @washiku, I didn't say wearing hijab means 0% rape. I said: 1. wearing mini skirt higher chance of rape in case there is opportunity for a rapist because it invites. 2. wearing hijab lower chance of rape if there is opportunity because it does not invite. My conclusion, rapist is the one with a problem. He needs to be jailed. But sisters should dress with modesty. Similar to men, they should dress decently, sio kushaga ma-trousers!  Very good. Now we agree. The problem is with those hooligans. We cant blame the victims. I am for decency myself, but I am cognizant of the fact that my definition of decency may vary drastically from @Alphi's definition. If today he decides to walk along the streets wearing a dress, however "un-manly" it looks to me and however much I hate it, I can not physically assault him in the name of teaching him a lesson.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,884
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AlphDoti wrote:alma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma wrote:Wewe Alphdoti wacha kuleta mzaha hapa.
Must every thread go back to the Quran? You know very well that the pictures of those 3 ladies at the bottom of your post would get them killed in some Islamic countries. Hiyo sio buibui. So save us on the Islamic angle.
Lets stick to the issue here. If you want a morality thread, open it up with Mukiri somewhere on wazua.
We are talking about a simple issue.
Can you Alphdoti ever allow a Kafir like Alai undress your wife in public? @alma brother, I always know you're a fellow who been exposed to different cultures. I thought you knew the meaning of "buibui"? Who are you to tell me you don't want Islamic angle? Do I dictate when you give non-Islamic angle? Everybody have their own angle. So make your own choice and give your own angle. I don't force you to adopt Islamic angle. As much you have the right to respond to this thread, I also have the same right. As long as I do it within the rules and regulations of Wazua. It is a simple question from @kysse. And I answered. You also give your answer and reasons. About allowing Alai to undress my wife, read my first line. I put a disclaimer there already. I think you were so focused in spewing your words to notice. It's your lady who is going to be undress, not mine! I can bet that! Why because you would have declared fatwa or she will be carrying a grenade. You know you may be taking this like a joke, but there's a lady right now who's in hospital after one of the rapists attacked her last evening in Kayole. One of these Alai rapists actually posted and boasted about it on Facebook today and he's so stupid he's forgotten his twirra password This is no longer about morals but a bunch of people walking around the country deciding which moral people should be having. In your case, since you support Islamist states I can understand why it would seem like a joke to you. A woman stripped a day means that next its your buibui woman. @alma now you're talking. Not coming here and telling oh moral, oh ethics. Yes, I represent morals. Others represent phombe. Others touching women breasts etc. You can keep laughing and mocking the Islamic ethiquette, but the last laugh will be on you. If you Mary the mother of Jesus (may peace be with them both) passed by where you work, you won't even give her a second look. But if one of those ladies wearing g-strings and tangas pass-by, you won't even continue working. Even me, I would be burning inside!!! Now, present those two to an hooligan. Who do you think is likely to tease? Or maybe rape if there was an opportunity for him? So, what I'm saying is, yes those rapists should face the law (not the fake Kenyan law). But also, the ladies need to do their part, please keep your juicy bodies to your husbands. alpha, you can't expect logic from a criminal mind - next they may leave the 'nude' ones alone and go for the buibui ones claiming that they are hiding grenades. then your so called logic will fail. the worst of it enough wazuans will be on the side of 'the fight against terrorism'.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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I support assaulting them. But without undressing them, with lessos and other "descent" shuka like attire.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Rahatupu wrote:I support assaulting them. But without undressing them, with lessos and other "descent" shuka like attire. Then I have good and super news for you. The woman that Harry Bayo character confessed to having stripped on Facebook is dead. It seems murder is just super great in exchange of a miniskirt. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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alma wrote:Rahatupu wrote:I support assaulting them. But without undressing them, with lessos and other "descent" shuka like attire. Then I have good and super news for you. The woman that Harry Bayo character confessed to having stripped on Facebook is dead. It seems murder is just super great in exchange of a miniskirt. . @Alma get me right: reread my text pls. "Assaulting" is in figure of speech sense.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Rahatupu wrote:alma wrote:Rahatupu wrote:I support assaulting them. But without undressing them, with lessos and other "descent" shuka like attire. Then I have good and super news for you. The woman that Harry Bayo character confessed to having stripped on Facebook is dead. It seems murder is just super great in exchange of a miniskirt. . @Alma get me right: reread my text pls. "Assaulting" is in figure of speech sense. I apologise @rahatupu even my sense of humour disappeared Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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Meanwhile, the babalindaokellodefense is trying to damage control: Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Before people open their mouths they should learn about african history regarding dressing. This photo is what comprises as authentic african dressing. If our ancestors never harassed their women, why should we assault them today when our women are actually relatively overdressed? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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KulaRaha wrote:Meanwhile, the babalindaokellodefense is trying to damage control:
The bufoon had better start praying that he's right Those 100 guys arrested today should be charged with murder. Wajitetee watakavyo. In other countries he would also be charged with accessory to murder. He had better pray that he is right. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mkenyan wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma wrote:AlphDoti wrote:alma wrote:Wewe Alphdoti wacha kuleta mzaha hapa.
Must every thread go back to the Quran? You know very well that the pictures of those 3 ladies at the bottom of your post would get them killed in some Islamic countries. Hiyo sio buibui. So save us on the Islamic angle.
Lets stick to the issue here. If you want a morality thread, open it up with Mukiri somewhere on wazua.
We are talking about a simple issue.
Can you Alphdoti ever allow a Kafir like Alai undress your wife in public? @alma brother, I always know you're a fellow who been exposed to different cultures. I thought you knew the meaning of "buibui"? Who are you to tell me you don't want Islamic angle? Do I dictate when you give non-Islamic angle? Everybody have their own angle. So make your own choice and give your own angle. I don't force you to adopt Islamic angle. As much you have the right to respond to this thread, I also have the same right. As long as I do it within the rules and regulations of Wazua. It is a simple question from @kysse. And I answered. You also give your answer and reasons. About allowing Alai to undress my wife, read my first line. I put a disclaimer there already. I think you were so focused in spewing your words to notice. It's your lady who is going to be undress, not mine! I can bet that! Why because you would have declared fatwa or she will be carrying a grenade. You know you may be taking this like a joke, but there's a lady right now who's in hospital after one of the rapists attacked her last evening in Kayole. One of these Alai rapists actually posted and boasted about it on Facebook today and he's so stupid he's forgotten his twirra password This is no longer about morals but a bunch of people walking around the country deciding which moral people should be having. In your case, since you support Islamist states I can understand why it would seem like a joke to you. A woman stripped a day means that next its your buibui woman. @alma now you're talking. Not coming here and telling oh moral, oh ethics. Yes, I represent morals. Others represent phombe. Others touching women breasts etc. You can keep laughing and mocking the Islamic ethiquette, but the last laugh will be on you. If you Mary the mother of Jesus (may peace be with them both) passed by where you work, you won't even give her a second look. But if one of those ladies wearing g-strings and tangas pass-by, you won't even continue working. Even me, I would be burning inside!!! Now, present those two to an hooligan. Who do you think is likely to tease? Or maybe rape if there was an opportunity for him? So, what I'm saying is, yes those rapists should face the law (not the fake Kenyan law). But also, the ladies need to do their part, please keep your juicy bodies to your husbands. alpha, you can't expect logic from a criminal mind - next they may leave the 'nude' ones alone and go for the buibui ones claiming that they are hiding grenades. then your so called logic will fail. the worst of it enough wazuans will be on the side of 'the fight against terrorism'. @mkenyan waaaa you have made @alma's point come out clear. I understand what you mean now! True these are hooligans and they might now start harassing our ladies ati wameficha nini huko!!!! God forbids. Now that we agree, my take is if this was Islamic country, those fellow would already been booked for 100 lashes from a well-built man trained to swing a whip!!! 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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washiku wrote:AlphDoti wrote:washiku wrote:AlphDoti wrote: Suppose two sisters who are twins, and who are equally beautiful, walk down the street. One of them is attired in the Islamic hijab i.e. the complete body is covered, except for the face and the hands up to the wrists. The other sister is wearing western clothes, a mini skirt or shorts. Just around the corner there is a hooligan or ruffian who is waiting for a catch, to tease a girl. Whom will he tease? The girl wearing the Islamic Hijab or the girl wearing the skirt or the mini? Naturally he will tease the girl wearing the skirt or the mini. Such dresses are an indirect invitation to the opposite sex for teasing and molestation. The Qur’an rightly says that hijab prevents women from being molested. Please explain why the ladies in Hijab also get raped? What attracts the rapist? Why did NTV run a programme recently on grandmas being harassed/molested sexually recently? Is it about their mini skirts too? @washiku, I didn't say wearing hijab means 0% rape. I said: 1. wearing mini skirt higher chance of rape in case there is opportunity for a rapist because it invites. 2. wearing hijab lower chance of rape if there is opportunity because it does not invite. My conclusion, rapist is the one with a problem. He needs to be jailed. But sisters should dress with modesty. Similar to men, they should dress decently, sio kushaga ma-trousers! Very good. Now we agree. The problem is with those hooligans. We cant blame the victims. I am for decency myself, but I am cognizant of the fact that my definition of decency may vary drastically from @Alphi's definition. If today he decides to walk along the streets wearing a dress, however "un-manly" it looks to me and however much I hate it, I can not physically assault him in the name of teaching him a lesson. Agreed
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Now see!  ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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McReggae wrote:Now see! Travel advisory  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Correctional systems can no longer use punishment alone as a detterent and remedy for crimes. This is because humans are increasingly inclined to sado-masochism under such conditions.
The best correction is illumination. For example, given the divided opinion, rage and confusion, the perpetrators of these crimes are vindicated.
Arrest them, jail them, flog them, but how can a spirit be changed? The offender must see the folly of his ways and genuinely seek to change. Correctional systems must help in this process.
For example now, how probable is it that the perpetrators of this crime have a criminal record and have spent some time at least on remand? If the perpetrators can be profiled and they fit the profile I have experienced in my encounters, then many participants affirm past offenses and some form of punishment.
Crimes recur due to ignorance, and ignorance can be overcome just like evil can be overcome in the individual and in social institutions.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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The ongoing Parliamentary debate on this issue is hot!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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alma wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Meanwhile, the babalindaokellodefense is trying to damage control:
The bufoon had better start praying that he's right Those 100 guys arrested today should be charged with murder. Wajitetee watakavyo. In other countries he would also be charged with accessory to murder. He had better pray that he is right. Actually, the chief rapist is busy cleaning his Twitter timeline just in case: Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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ecstacy wrote:The ongoing Parliamentary debate on this issue is hot! Hon Mwaura (the albino) thrown out for buffoonery.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/26/2007 Posts: 6,514
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KulaRaha wrote:Meanwhile, the babalindaokellodefense is trying to damage control:
Seems the Chief Rapist filters the truth, especially when it doesn't support his caveman agenda: Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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Our society is very sick.We need cure.Who or what will cure us? Let me condemn the heinous acts of these boys.It is completely unacceptable to strip off anyone in public.They need to face the full force of the law. What we are witnessing is not about stripping off women or how to dress in public.This is war. When we sit here and say all makangas and matatu drivers are hooligans and are guilty and all the over 100 men arrested in Kayole should be castrated because they are guilty then we lose the plot. We are the prosecutor,the jury and the judges. Why are they guilty?They are filthy,uneducated,uncouth and barbaric.We are educated,have degrees and live in expensive apartments.We dont live in slums where these low-lives live in. We drink expensive whiskies in westlands and hurlingham.These bastards drink tunusu huko downtown. What would we be if we studied to primary school level and have no money? Are we better than those makangas,drivers,watchmen,butchers,jamaa wa makaas?Because we can wazua,facebook and twit then these dimwits are all guilty. What is the difference to those who say all kikuyus are thieves and all luos are ihiis?Kana kimwe kiamia ciamia ciothe?(When one shits,all have shit?) We need to get the hell of our f***ing high horses. What is happening is a result of frustrations the young people especially boys are going through.They feel neglected and ignored.No one cares about the boy child.I have nothing againist girl empowerment and indeed an empowered woman empowers the society.We need to find ways of empowering the boy child. Those men who dont have our level of education and money feel threatened and foresee the coming back of Wangu wa Makeri.They are looked down upon because they have nothing to offer. Because of their level of education they are less.They have pressure in the society to be men and a man is defined by how much money he has.If he doesnt have any money,he is useless.Huyu ni mwanaume wa aina gani? Some of our ladies who are better educated are rude and arrogant.Education is supposed to humble you.The more learned you are the more humble you should be. These makangas,drivers,watchmen,jamaa wa makaa na mtu wa butcher that you are looking down upon are busy sleeping with your wives while you are busy ranting here. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/24/2011 Posts: 407 Location: Nairobi,Kenya
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Let me add my two cents...I condemn the stripping incident.It shouldn't happen to anyone at all.Frankly I could not even withstand watching the entire clip.It suddenly occurred to me that, when a mob of 50+ men surround a helpless woman and cheer as they strip her,then something is seriously wrong with our society.No one attempted to help her...too sad .If this barbaric acts are allowed to continue,they are bound to spiral out of control.It will then become.. 'there's a woman....lets strip her..she just walked indecently'... Guys lets sober up..we cant allow this to continue..lets take a stand to protect our women . Hope is not a strategy
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