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KQ H1 2014 results 12.5 B Loss
muganda
#1 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:00:13 AM
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The strong gusts when a plane tumbles from the sky (take that in the chin sage @obiero smile)

What is there to say, just bad numbers:

• H1 2014 Turnover 56.788b Half Year Loss after Tax 10.451b versus +384m
• Gross profit comes to 6.8B compared to last year's 11.1B
• Borrowings and Financial lease obligations 95.024b versus 50.120b
• Cash and cash equivalent at the end of this half year stands at 4.5M (versus 11bn a year ago)

Some excuses


Bad picture in full https://www.nse.co.ke/listed-com...-ended-30-september-2014
And a profit warning announcement to boot https://www.nse.co.ke/listed-com...fit-warning-announcement
mlennyma
#2 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:00:31 AM
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Kenya Airways posts a pretax loss of 12.5 bln shillings in H1
Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:37am GMT
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NAIROBI Nov 13 (Reuters) - Kenya Airways reported a pretax loss of 12.5 billion shillings ($138.97 million) in the first half of the year, ending in September, from a profit of 548 million shillings a year ago, its finance director said on Thursday.

The carrier, which is part-owned by Air-France KLM , blamed lower passenger yields during the period and higher fleet costs for the loss.

http://www.reuters.com/article/...ys-idUSL6N0T30AB20141113
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#3 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 10:03:31 AM
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And this guys were refusing wetangulas air fare.
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Sober
#4 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 12:09:50 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
Kenya Airways posts a pretax loss of 12.5 bln shillings in H1
Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:37am GMT
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NAIROBI Nov 13 (Reuters) - Kenya Airways reported a pretax loss of 12.5 billion shillings ($138.97 million) in the first half of the year, ending in September, from a profit of 548 million shillings a year ago, its finance director said on Thursday.

The carrier, which is part-owned by Air-France KLM , blamed lower passenger yields during the period and higher fleet costs for the loss.

http://www.reuters.com/article/...ys-idUSL6N0T30AB20141113


waiting for the counter to pull a MMS
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selah
#5 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 3:15:53 PM
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This must be some kind of a Record.....The Heading tomorrow might cause this stock to crash.

KQ results
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newfarer
#6 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 9:49:16 PM
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sema financial haemorrhage!!

they only have 4.5 millions in cash and cash equivalentsvs 11billion last year. hiyo si nI petty cash ya mdosi mmoja. how will they pay their debts.

what a nasty legacy by naikuni.
punda amecheka
ProverB
#7 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 5:12:44 AM
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Westgate attack... Fire at JKIA... Increased terrorist threats... General Insecurity in KE.. Travel Advisories.. Hon Moses Wetangula's failure to produce photo proof of himself... Prophet Dr Kanyari etc. Reasons for KSH 12.5Billion in losses.

However all these did not hinder 33% increase of Top Executives salary packs.
It is really hard work to make losses in billions in this country. O.o
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#8 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 6:50:22 AM
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ProverB wrote:
Westgate attack... Fire at JKIA... Increased terrorist threats... General Insecurity in KE.. Travel Advisories.. Hon Moses Wetangula's failure to produce photo proof of himself... Prophet Dr Kanyari etc. Reasons for KSH 12.5Billion in losses.

However all these did not hinder 33% increase of Top Executives salary packs.
It is really hard work to make losses in billions in this country. O.o


well said.
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#9 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 7:41:55 AM
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This is very interesting... Delta went for cheaper, older planes than the pricey, newer planes. And Delta is profitable. KQ's partner KLM/AF made huge losses. It is true about they say about the company you keep... KQ needs to change the Board, the Management and the Strategic Investor!
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Ericsson
#10 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:32:10 AM
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What is happening to KQ is a reflection of what is happening in kenya.
We are becoming an over capacity country.
KQ buying newer,bigger expensive planes before looking at whether passengers are there.
We are talking about 5000 mw yet industries to consume that power are not there and we don't know whether they will be there.
SGR viability was also brought into question.
All these are being funded by loans and the question is where will the money to repay the loans while ensuring the firms are profitable when the market is not known
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Aguytrying
#11 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:37:01 AM
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leave GK firms to GK. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the skeletons come out of how cash was siphoned like mms. and I highly doubt that profit of last year now... numbers don't lie.

some wazua wise men had serious queries about project mawingu, right now, what they feared is coming true
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#12 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:40:46 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
What is happening to KQ is a reflection of what is happening in kenya.
We are becoming an over capacity country.
KQ buying newer,bigger expensive planes before looking at whether passengers are there.
We are talking about 5000 mw yet industries to consume that power are not there and we don't know whether they will be there.
SGR viability was also brought into question.
All these are being funded by loans and the question is where will the money to repay the loans while ensuring the firms are profitable when the market is not known


Can I also add the laptop project.

BTW, KQ management is acting like kenyan mps- kujiongeza tu mshahara anyhow
Seeing is believing
Aguytrying
#13 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:41:51 AM
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@Ericsson. precisely. I also find kengen and kplc exposing (unecessarily) themselves with debt for that high capacity when a lesser gradual growth with less debt would suffice. the motives behind these actions bearing in mind the top shareholder is pretty obvious
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#14 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:41:52 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
leave GK firms to GK. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the skeletons come out of how cash was siphoned like mms. and I highly doubt that profit of last year now... numbers don't lie.

some wazua wise men had serious queries about project mawingu, right now, what they feared is coming true

How much does gvt of k have in safaricom ?
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Aguytrying
#15 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:43:29 AM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
leave GK firms to GK. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the skeletons come out of how cash was siphoned like mms. and I highly doubt that profit of last year now... numbers don't lie.

some wazua wise men had serious queries about project mawingu, right now, what they feared is coming true

How much does gvt of k have in safaricom ?


you tell me. if significant then safaricom could be a special case!
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
shocks
#16 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:46:28 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
leave GK firms to GK. I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the skeletons come out of how cash was siphoned like mms. and I highly doubt that profit of last year now... numbers don't lie.

some wazua wise men had serious queries about project mawingu, right now, what they feared is coming true

How much does gvt of k have in safaricom ?


you tell me. if significant then safaricom could be a special case!


Arguement arrested and your trying to worm yourself out
Ericsson
#17 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 10:29:06 AM
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@Boris Boyka,Aguytrying
Safaricom gava has a bigger shareholding than in KQ i.e 35% while in KQ its 29%.
Safaricom is a special case in that under the deal they signed with gava;vodafone will be the ones managing and appointing the CEO,CFO and CTO.
So gava's work is to sit aside and enjoy the dividends.They are not to interefere with the management.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
selah
#18 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 10:48:09 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Boris Boyka,Aguytrying
Safaricom gava has a bigger shareholding than in KQ i.e 35% while in KQ its 29%.
Safaricom is a special case in that under the deal they signed with gava;vodafone will be the ones managing and appointing the CEO,CFO and CTO.
So gava's work is to sit aside and enjoy the dividends.They are not to interefere with the management.


I think Also KQ has the same agreement top management must be sanctioned by KLM.
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#19 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:28:49 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
What is happening to KQ is a reflection of what is happening in kenya.
We are becoming an over capacity country.
KQ buying newer,bigger expensive planes before looking at whether passengers are there.
We are talking about 5000 mw yet industries to consume that power are not there and we don't know whether they will be there.
SGR viability was also brought into question.
All these are being funded by loans and the question is where will the money to repay the loans while ensuring the firms are profitable when the market is not known

If you wanted to set up a factory and the power is not enough in the country would u wait years for the country to set up the power or will u go to where there is enough power? Dreamliners we bought since they are cheaper to manage and it gives them a chance to expand their routes and be at par with competitor Ethiopian Airlines, you cant compete without the tools....tools first then compete...just like fibre internet, we still dont use most of the capacity and there were very few smartphones at the time of set up, look at the situation now, 150% growth in consumption year on year....cheap power will be same, more industries, more businesses
mlennyma
#20 Posted : Friday, November 14, 2014 9:49:33 PM
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Sufficient power is as good as mankind especially geothermal which is natures blessing power can also be sold to neighbours if its cheap and natural to produce forever
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