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Kenya's Engineering Quality wanting
tycho
#21 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:41:41 PM
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These boards, these standards are about mass production emanating from a center. But this can't be the natural order of things. Nature has so much variety that those who can, should do.
Muriel
#22 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 2:04:46 PM
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tycho wrote:
These boards, these standards are about mass production emanating from a center. But this can't be the natural order of things. Nature has so much variety that those who can, should do.


These boards.

The other day there was this Kenyan who was flaunting his academic papers for the public, sijui masters, sijui thesis, sijui what. Obiero, I think was his name. Of course some more pragmatic member of the public challenged him to describe what he has done with those papers.

Until we move from pride, 'recognition' of labels and certificates, those who can will be encumbered by those who talk. An upsetting of the 'natural law'.
washiku
#23 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:11:59 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here?


You should know peoplesmile smile But one usual has not. We all know why.
Ericsson
#24 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:22:06 PM
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EBK is a bunch of old school guys from University of Nairobi who are trying to protect their turf.
Is EBK telling us that UoN has the best facilities for engineering.No I don't think so.UoN is an old institution and therefore you would expect it to have old and outdated equipments.JKUAT which was established recently under the guidance of the Japanese has better equipment and facilities and even the courses ERB is disputing were established under the guidance of the Japanese before they left.
The candidates produced were competitive and better qualified for emerging opportunities and technology.
Thus when the likes of private institutions in the 21st century like Airtel,Safaricom,Ericsson,Huawei opened offices in kenya most of the employees they took were graduates from JKUAT.This didn't go well with the old schools from UoN and through EBK they are now fighting this.
The private institutions have ignored EBK since they don't see any meaningful contribution from it leading to EBK to start throwing tantrums like what we recently seen.
Ask anyone on the streets where do the best engineers in kenya come from and you will get the answer.
I was using JKUAT here as an example.
The EBK guys have arm twisted parastatls not to take graduates who are not registered under EBK but the multinationals and private institutions are paying the "unqualified engineers according to EBK"way much much better than parastatals.
Give me a road that has been built by a registered EBK engineer that lasted and withstood the heavy rains that normally pound the country.
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murchr
#25 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 5:41:36 PM
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True dat @Ericsson, and this cuts across board in almost all courses not only engineering
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Swenani
#26 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 6:11:21 PM
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You mean impunity cannot even weld a door properly?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
Ngong
#27 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:30:04 PM
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Swenani wrote:
You mean impunity cannot even weld a door properly?


hahaha, same person,did computers maybe he is busy designing std one tablets
Ngong
#28 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:35:50 PM
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murchr wrote:
True dat @Ericsson, and this cuts across board in almost all courses not only engineering


True for JKUAT the Japanese started by recruiting lectures from the national polys this made the training more hands on.
Impunity
#29 Posted : Wednesday, November 12, 2014 9:52:33 PM
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washiku wrote:
ZZE123 wrote:
Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here?


You should know peoplesmile smile But one usual has not. We all know why.


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Wendz
#30 Posted : Thursday, November 13, 2014 7:54:33 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
EBK is a bunch of old school guys from University of Nairobi who are trying to protect their turf.
Is EBK telling us that UoN has the best facilities for engineering.No I don't think so.UoN is an old institution and therefore you would expect it to have old and outdated equipments.That's the best fallacy I've come across lately. They may have old outdated equipments because the dean and the institutional leadership has no vision or is not committed to oneJKUAT which was established recently under the guidance of the Japanese has better equipment and facilities and even the courses ERB is disputing were established under the guidance of the Japanese before they left.
The candidates produced were competitive and better qualified for emerging opportunities and technology.
Thus when the likes of private institutions in the 21st century like Airtel,Safaricom,Ericsson,Huawei opened offices in kenya most of the employees they took were graduates from JKUAT.This didn't go well with the old schools from UoN and through EBK they are now fighting this.
The private institutions have ignored EBK since they don't see any meaningful contribution from it leading to EBK to start throwing tantrums like what we recently seen.
Ask anyone on the streets where do the best engineers in kenya come from and you will get the answer.
I was using JKUAT here as an example.
The EBK guys have arm twisted parastatls not to take graduates who are not registered under EBK but the multinationals and private institutions are paying the "unqualified engineers according to EBK"way much much better than parastatals.
Give me a road that has been built by a registered EBK engineer that lasted and withstood the heavy rains that normally pound the country. [color=green]This is where i have a beef with them. leave the roads which by the way, chinese came and used our own local materials to build.... most of the machines we have in the industry (farm machinery, juakali hotel equipment etc) have been invented by either diploma graduates or school drop-outs.... Show me one innovation changing lives made by a UoN graduate then we can talk/color]

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