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I agree with you partly, but: MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. It should be the universities, not EBK/IEK. After all, who comes up with their curriculum? the board is there to regulate and approve the curicculum. any institution that wishes to teach engineering should seek their authority. In this mix too is JAB( or whatever name they go b y nowadays). They knew this while admitting them.I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a  True Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc.color=red] No comment[/color] [ "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a good number of idiots!!! Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc. The issue is pride, when you engage with EBK you come to understand how backward our education system is. British system is one system we should borrow.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a good number of idiots!!! Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc. Including JKUATs Financial Engineering 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here? The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,833
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ZZE123 wrote:Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here? They are either the ones running EBK or the ones being accussed by EBK! Shida tupu!!! But some (not the usual) are commenting. It's only that they don't go shouting about their profession. The same way people believe @guka is a truck driver because he knows everywhere from Lamu to Mandera to timbuktu to Kandahar!!! They might be surprised to learn that he is a specs wearing accountant (and not at Mumias!!!) Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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These boards, these standards are about mass production emanating from a center. But this can't be the natural order of things. Nature has so much variety that those who can, should do.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:These boards, these standards are about mass production emanating from a center. But this can't be the natural order of things. Nature has so much variety that those who can, should do. These boards. The other day there was this Kenyan who was flaunting his academic papers for the public, sijui masters, sijui thesis, sijui what. Obiero, I think was his name. Of course some more pragmatic member of the public challenged him to describe what he has done with those papers. Until we move from pride, 'recognition' of labels and certificates, those who can will be encumbered by those who talk. An upsetting of the 'natural law'.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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ZZE123 wrote:Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here? You should know people But one usual has not. We all know why.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 10,804 Location: NAIROBI
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EBK is a bunch of old school guys from University of Nairobi who are trying to protect their turf. Is EBK telling us that UoN has the best facilities for engineering.No I don't think so.UoN is an old institution and therefore you would expect it to have old and outdated equipments.JKUAT which was established recently under the guidance of the Japanese has better equipment and facilities and even the courses ERB is disputing were established under the guidance of the Japanese before they left. The candidates produced were competitive and better qualified for emerging opportunities and technology. Thus when the likes of private institutions in the 21st century like Airtel,Safaricom,Ericsson,Huawei opened offices in kenya most of the employees they took were graduates from JKUAT.This didn't go well with the old schools from UoN and through EBK they are now fighting this. The private institutions have ignored EBK since they don't see any meaningful contribution from it leading to EBK to start throwing tantrums like what we recently seen. Ask anyone on the streets where do the best engineers in kenya come from and you will get the answer. I was using JKUAT here as an example. The EBK guys have arm twisted parastatls not to take graduates who are not registered under EBK but the multinationals and private institutions are paying the "unqualified engineers according to EBK"way much much better than parastatals. Give me a road that has been built by a registered EBK engineer that lasted and withstood the heavy rains that normally pound the country. Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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True dat @Ericsson, and this cuts across board in almost all courses not only engineering "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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You mean impunity cannot even weld a door properly? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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Swenani wrote:You mean impunity cannot even weld a door properly? hahaha, same person,did computers maybe he is busy designing std one tablets
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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murchr wrote:True dat @Ericsson, and this cuts across board in almost all courses not only engineering True for JKUAT the Japanese started by recruiting lectures from the national polys this made the training more hands on.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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washiku wrote:ZZE123 wrote:Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here? You should know people But one usual has not. We all know why. No need to waste time engaging househelps' brains! Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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Ericsson wrote:EBK is a bunch of old school guys from University of Nairobi who are trying to protect their turf.
Is EBK telling us that UoN has the best facilities for engineering.No I don't think so.UoN is an old institution and therefore you would expect it to have old and outdated equipments.That's the best fallacy I've come across lately. They may have old outdated equipments because the dean and the institutional leadership has no vision or is not committed to oneJKUAT which was established recently under the guidance of the Japanese has better equipment and facilities and even the courses ERB is disputing were established under the guidance of the Japanese before they left.
The candidates produced were competitive and better qualified for emerging opportunities and technology.
Thus when the likes of private institutions in the 21st century like Airtel,Safaricom,Ericsson,Huawei opened offices in kenya most of the employees they took were graduates from JKUAT.This didn't go well with the old schools from UoN and through EBK they are now fighting this.
The private institutions have ignored EBK since they don't see any meaningful contribution from it leading to EBK to start throwing tantrums like what we recently seen.
Ask anyone on the streets where do the best engineers in kenya come from and you will get the answer.
I was using JKUAT here as an example.
The EBK guys have arm twisted parastatls not to take graduates who are not registered under EBK but the multinationals and private institutions are paying the "unqualified engineers according to EBK"way much much better than parastatals.
Give me a road that has been built by a registered EBK engineer that lasted and withstood the heavy rains that normally pound the country. [color=green]This is where i have a beef with them. leave the roads which by the way, chinese came and used our own local materials to build.... most of the machines we have in the industry (farm machinery, juakali hotel equipment etc) have been invented by either diploma graduates or school drop-outs.... Show me one innovation changing lives made by a UoN graduate then we can talk/color]
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