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Wawanjiku, What profession r u. It's not just the engineering courses, university education has been commercialised.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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limanika wrote:Wawanjiku, What profession r u. It's not just the engineering courses, university education has been commercialised. Yep kila kitu... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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maka wrote:limanika wrote:Wawanjiku, What profession r u. It's not just the engineering courses, university education has been commercialised. Yep kila kitu... Try Strathmore........... very strong and high standards are still very much in place!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:limanika wrote:Wawanjiku, What profession r u. It's not just the engineering courses, university education has been commercialised. Yep kila kitu... Try Strathmore........... very strong and high standards are still very much in place!!! Try LSE...  btw I have never come across a strath graduate whose tarmacking. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Did I just see Karatina University's sign post near Alliance Française
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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maka wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:maka wrote:limanika wrote:Wawanjiku, What profession r u. It's not just the engineering courses, university education has been commercialised. Yep kila kitu... Try Strathmore........... very strong and high standards are still very much in place!!! Try LSE... btw I have never come across a strath graduate whose tarmacking. have you ever come across a stath graduate -
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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Education standards have gone down to welding standards.... Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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butterflyke wrote:Education standards have gone down to welding standards....  possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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butterflyke wrote:Education standards have gone down to welding standards.... haiya, welding is a very lucrative career huko mayuu - especially in those tu oil rigs. actually they should introduce Bsc. welding engineering, all those road side windows/doors fabricators I see need some certificate to produce windows that are truly burglary free and upto international standards
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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And now all welders have to repeat courses http://mobile.nation.co..../-/13albh5z/-/index.htmli.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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nakujua wrote:butterflyke wrote:Education standards have gone down to welding standards.... haiya, welding is a very lucrative career huko mayuu - especially in those tu oil rigs. actually they should introduce Bsc. welding engineering, all those road side windows/doors fabricators I see need some certificate to produce windows that are truly burglary free and upto international standards You know what I mean Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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nakujua wrote:butterflyke wrote:Education standards have gone down to welding standards.... haiya, welding is a very lucrative career huko mayuu - especially in those tu oil rigs. actually they should introduce Bsc. welding engineering, all those road side windows/doors fabricators I see need some certificate to produce windows that are truly burglary free and upto international standards Was there any welding involved in the making of this? Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a good number of idiots!!! Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2008 Posts: 602
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I agree with you partly, but: MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. It should be the universities, not EBK/IEK. After all, who comes up with their curriculum? the board is there to regulate and approve the curicculum. any institution that wishes to teach engineering should seek their authority. In this mix too is JAB( or whatever name they go b y nowadays). They knew this while admitting them.I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a  True Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc.color=red] No comment[/color] [ "The chief danger in life is that you may take too many precautions" - Alfred adler
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2012 Posts: 1,461 Location: Ngong Forest
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MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a good number of idiots!!! Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc. The issue is pride, when you engage with EBK you come to understand how backward our education system is. British system is one system we should borrow.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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MaichBlack wrote:nakujua wrote:but the engineering body can not be serious, how can they set the standard as those in the developed heavily industrialized countries, of what use will the graduates be to the community.
I think they need to scale down the curriculum, and produce graduates who can work with the local jua kali sector. I disagree!!! If we want Kenyan degrees to be recognized world-wide then they must meet "world standards". But the Engineering Board of Kenya is using the wrong approach. They should have engaged the Universities in dialog a long time ago and not wait for students to study for five years and then start making pronouncements. There are some universities like KU that are extreme but the likes of UON, JKUAT, Dedan Kimathi have the facilities and lecturers needed! Their Engineering courses are also very solid. Only a little fine tuning and advice is needed to align the graduates with current market requirements. I can tell you for a fact that the Engineering Board of Kenya has quite a good number of idiots!!! Can you imagine these fellows stopped universities from offering BSc in Software Engineering because it contains the name Engineering!!! Apparently every course with the name "Engineering" should come under them!!! That is the stupidest load of crap I've ever heard! And the fellows want the course to be structured in the same manner as classical engineering courses - technical drawing etc. etc. Apparently they own the "rights" to the word "Engineering". Jaribu kutumia uone - Software Engineering, Biomedical engineering, Medical Engineering, Statistical Engineering etc. Very soon even domestic engineers will have to be registered by EBK. No big surprise it rhymes with ABK. Absolutely Bure Kabisa. In the meantime, no road done by Kenya contractors cannot go 2 years without potholes, structural engineers just sign papers without visiting the site etc. etc. Including JKUATs Financial Engineering
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/21/2008 Posts: 2,490
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Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here? The man who marries a beautiful woman, and the farmer who grows corn by the roadside have the same problem
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,467
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ZZE123 wrote:Why are our usual Wazua Engineers not commenting here? They are either the ones running EBK or the ones being accussed by EBK! Shida tupu!!! But some (not the usual) are commenting. It's only that they don't go shouting about their profession. The same way people believe @guka is a truck driver because he knows everywhere from Lamu to Mandera to timbuktu to Kandahar!!! They might be surprised to learn that he is a specs wearing accountant (and not at Mumias!!!) Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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