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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ?  Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though. hmmm..... Isn't it the other way around? By consciousness do you mean the 'I' or what the mind is conscious of ? Look at the definition we're working with. If the mind is an 'interface' what can it change to? What's the mind conscious of, if not itself? First let's move away from the fallacy that the mind actually exists. It is just an abstract perimeter around our consciousness but not a real entity by itself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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its2013 wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though. hmmm..... Isn't it the other way around? By consciousness do you mean the 'I' or what the mind is conscious of ? Look at the definition we're working with. If the mind is an 'interface' what can it change to? What's the mind conscious of, if not itself? First let's move away from the fallacy that the mind actually exists. It is just an abstract perimeter around our consciousness but not a real entity by itself. Is there an abstract perimeter around the unconscious? Is something abstract necessarily 'unreal' or 'inexistent'? I doubt it!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:its2013 wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though. hmmm..... Isn't it the other way around? By consciousness do you mean the 'I' or what the mind is conscious of ? Look at the definition we're working with. If the mind is an 'interface' what can it change to? What's the mind conscious of, if not itself? First let's move away from the fallacy that the mind actually exists. It is just an abstract perimeter around our consciousness but not a real entity by itself. Is there an abstract perimeter around the unconscious? Is something abstract necessarily 'unreal' or 'inexistent'? I doubt it! If it is unconscious, then it means it is different from the conscious. Then it has a boundary. Does it have a perimeter? Then it does not exist.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:its2013 wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though. hmmm..... Isn't it the other way around? By consciousness do you mean the 'I' or what the mind is conscious of ? Look at the definition we're working with. If the mind is an 'interface' what can it change to? What's the mind conscious of, if not itself? First let's move away from the fallacy that the mind actually exists. It is just an abstract perimeter around our consciousness but not a real entity by itself. Is there an abstract perimeter around the unconscious? Is something abstract necessarily 'unreal' or 'inexistent'? I doubt it! If it is unconscious, then it means it is different from the conscious. Then it has a boundary. Does it have a perimeter? Then it does not exist. Hahaha! 'If it has a perimeter, then it doesn't exist'. Is a pseudo argument @Muriel.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
Hahaha! 'If it has a perimeter, then it doesn't exist'. Is a pseudo argument @Muriel.
No its this way, to the question if the answer was 'no' (which it was going to be) then it does not exist.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Hahaha! 'If it has a perimeter, then it doesn't exist'. Is a pseudo argument @Muriel.
No its this way, to the question if the answer was 'no' (which it was going to be) then it does not exist. A symbol always points to existence.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I prefer thinking with my unconscious.
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