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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
What is 'it'?
Hahaha! You've just been using the word. Could you be using it without knowing what it symbolizes? Laugh. No, you are the one soliciting for definitions of it, from me and Mtu Biz. What it is. Or who it is. I think you are now evading the question. You have quoted something up there and drawn a conclusion. I wanted to understand what you meant, so I naturally asked what you meant. But you turned the question back to me. Why? Because. Yes, I evaded the question. Slick eh? Laugh From what I put up there, I think 'mind' is 'society', the 'us', the 'people who think of 'this' future'. If that's what you mean by 'mind' then renegades must be part of 'us'. And your assertion is true. What is 'renegade'? ren·e·gade /ˈrenəˌɡād/ noun a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. adjective having treacherously changed allegiance. treach·er·ous /ˈtreCH(ə)rəs/ adjective guilty of or involving betrayal or deception. I also acknowledge any positive definition possible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
What is 'it'?
Hahaha! You've just been using the word. Could you be using it without knowing what it symbolizes? Laugh. No, you are the one soliciting for definitions of it, from me and Mtu Biz. What it is. Or who it is. I think you are now evading the question. You have quoted something up there and drawn a conclusion. I wanted to understand what you meant, so I naturally asked what you meant. But you turned the question back to me. Why? Because. Yes, I evaded the question. Slick eh? Laugh From what I put up there, I think 'mind' is 'society', the 'us', the 'people who think of 'this' future'. If that's what you mean by 'mind' then renegades must be part of 'us'. And your assertion is true. What is 'renegade'? ren·e·gade /ˈrenəˌɡād/ noun a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. adjective having treacherously changed allegiance. treach·er·ous /ˈtreCH(ə)rəs/ adjective guilty of or involving betrayal or deception. I also acknowledge any positive definition possible. Thank you. As the naming word, how then can 'renegade' be part of 'us'? What makes you assume its 'negative'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
What is 'it'?
Hahaha! You've just been using the word. Could you be using it without knowing what it symbolizes? Laugh. No, you are the one soliciting for definitions of it, from me and Mtu Biz. What it is. Or who it is. I think you are now evading the question. You have quoted something up there and drawn a conclusion. I wanted to understand what you meant, so I naturally asked what you meant. But you turned the question back to me. Why? Because. Yes, I evaded the question. Slick eh? Laugh From what I put up there, I think 'mind' is 'society', the 'us', the 'people who think of 'this' future'. If that's what you mean by 'mind' then renegades must be part of 'us'. And your assertion is true. What is 'renegade'? ren·e·gade /ˈrenəˌɡād/ noun a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. adjective having treacherously changed allegiance. treach·er·ous /ˈtreCH(ə)rəs/ adjective guilty of or involving betrayal or deception. I also acknowledge any positive definition possible. Thank you. As the naming word, how then can 'renegade' be part of 'us'? What makes you assume its 'negative'? First, who does 'us' comprise of? Can you count 'us'? Again if mind is 'us', then does a renegade have a mind? I 'assume' it's negative because one of my teachers said, a 'heretic' glories in his 'orthodoxy'. But a heretic who glories in heresy can't be true.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though. hmmm..... Isn't it the other way around? By consciousness do you mean the 'I' or what the mind is conscious of ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:First tell me what the mind is. The interface to our conscious experience Then spoon bending is true. I am discovering that this interface can be re programmed... currently walking the tightrope between fear of the unknown and curiosity. Have you been here ? Can the mind be changed? No. Consciousness can though. hmmm..... Isn't it the other way around? By consciousness do you mean the 'I' or what the mind is conscious of ? Look at the definition we're working with. If the mind is an 'interface' what can it change to? What's the mind conscious of, if not itself?
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The conscious mind can process definitions but can't process meaning.The subconscious mind can process meaning but can't process definitions.
The conscious mind understands structure and parameters.The subconscious mind understands association.
The conscious mind 'quantifying' the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind 'qualifying' the conscious mind.The science of art and the art of science.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
What is 'it'?
Hahaha! You've just been using the word. Could you be using it without knowing what it symbolizes? Laugh. No, you are the one soliciting for definitions of it, from me and Mtu Biz. What it is. Or who it is. I think you are now evading the question. You have quoted something up there and drawn a conclusion. I wanted to understand what you meant, so I naturally asked what you meant. But you turned the question back to me. Why? Because. Yes, I evaded the question. Slick eh? Laugh From what I put up there, I think 'mind' is 'society', the 'us', the 'people who think of 'this' future'. If that's what you mean by 'mind' then renegades must be part of 'us'. And your assertion is true. What is 'renegade'? ren·e·gade /ˈrenəˌɡād/ noun a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. adjective having treacherously changed allegiance. treach·er·ous /ˈtreCH(ə)rəs/ adjective guilty of or involving betrayal or deception. I also acknowledge any positive definition possible. Thank you. As the naming word, how then can 'renegade' be part of 'us'? What makes you assume its 'negative'? First, who does 'us' comprise of? Can you count 'us'? Again if mind is 'us', then does a renegade have a mind? I 'assume' it's negative because one of my teachers said, a 'heretic' glories in his 'orthodoxy'. But a heretic who glories in heresy can't be true. I think 'us' comprise singularity. One. That further implies count. Numeration. Multiplicity. Hence One is multiple and so negative becomes positive. Renegade is positive. Beautiful!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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symbols wrote:The conscious mind can process definitions but can't process meaning.The subconscious mind can process meaning but can't process definitions.
The conscious mind understands structure and parameters.The subconscious mind understands association.
The conscious mind 'quantifying' the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind 'qualifying' the conscious mind.The science of art and the art of science. hmmmm....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
What is 'it'?
Hahaha! You've just been using the word. Could you be using it without knowing what it symbolizes? Laugh. No, you are the one soliciting for definitions of it, from me and Mtu Biz. What it is. Or who it is. I think you are now evading the question. You have quoted something up there and drawn a conclusion. I wanted to understand what you meant, so I naturally asked what you meant. But you turned the question back to me. Why? Because. Yes, I evaded the question. Slick eh? Laugh From what I put up there, I think 'mind' is 'society', the 'us', the 'people who think of 'this' future'. If that's what you mean by 'mind' then renegades must be part of 'us'. And your assertion is true. What is 'renegade'? ren·e·gade /ˈrenəˌɡād/ noun a person who deserts and betrays an organization, country, or set of principles. adjective having treacherously changed allegiance. treach·er·ous /ˈtreCH(ə)rəs/ adjective guilty of or involving betrayal or deception. I also acknowledge any positive definition possible. Thank you. As the naming word, how then can 'renegade' be part of 'us'? What makes you assume its 'negative'? First, who does 'us' comprise of? Can you count 'us'? Again if mind is 'us', then does a renegade have a mind? I 'assume' it's negative because one of my teachers said, a 'heretic' glories in his 'orthodoxy'. But a heretic who glories in heresy can't be true. I think 'us' comprise singularity. One. That further implies count. Numeration. Multiplicity. Hence One is multiple and so negative becomes positive. Renegade is positive. Beautiful! Yes. Beautiful.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:The conscious mind can process definitions but can't process meaning.The subconscious mind can process meaning but can't process definitions.
The conscious mind understands structure and parameters.The subconscious mind understands association.
The conscious mind 'quantifying' the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind 'qualifying' the conscious mind.The science of art and the art of science. All fusing into one. Given that Man can experience this fusion, and observe it as a witness, can we know the place of Man in the Universe? Man is the universe being conscious of itself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:The conscious mind can process definitions but can't process meaning.The subconscious mind can process meaning but can't process definitions.
The conscious mind understands structure and parameters.The subconscious mind understands association.
The conscious mind 'quantifying' the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind 'qualifying' the conscious mind.The science of art and the art of science. All fusing into one. Given that Man can experience this fusion, and observe it as a witness, can we know the place of Man in the Universe? Man is the universe being conscious of itself. Which comes first,knowing of feeling or feeling of knowing?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:The conscious mind can process definitions but can't process meaning.The subconscious mind can process meaning but can't process definitions.
The conscious mind understands structure and parameters.The subconscious mind understands association.
The conscious mind 'quantifying' the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind 'qualifying' the conscious mind.The science of art and the art of science. All fusing into one. Given that Man can experience this fusion, and observe it as a witness, can we know the place of Man in the Universe? Man is the universe being conscious of itself. Which comes first,knowing of feeling or feeling of knowing? Studies in human development - Piaget mostly - show that every cognitive act is also affective. Such that knowing is feeling and vice versa. But as language has developed humans have grown to suppress feeling to the extent of thinking or believing that one comes before the other.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
Yes. Beautiful.
I have a feeling you are pulling my leg. What is beautiful?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Yes. Beautiful.
I have a feeling you are pulling my leg. What is beautiful? beau·ti·ful /ˈbyo͞odəfəl/ adjective pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically. Seeing the mind in action. Or rather, something is beautiful when it rhymes with the flow of the mind.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Yes. Beautiful.
I have a feeling you are pulling my leg. What is beautiful? beau·ti·ful /ˈbyo͞odəfəl/ adjective pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically. Seeing the mind in action. Or rather, something is beautiful when it rhymes with the flow of the mind. Even the renegade mind?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Yes. Beautiful.
I have a feeling you are pulling my leg. What is beautiful? beau·ti·ful /ˈbyo͞odəfəl/ adjective pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically. Seeing the mind in action. Or rather, something is beautiful when it rhymes with the flow of the mind. Even the renegade mind? I see you're introducing a new definition of 'mind'. Or are we using the definition you offered? But as for 'renegades' they are beautiful.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Yes. Beautiful.
I have a feeling you are pulling my leg. What is beautiful? beau·ti·ful /ˈbyo͞odəfəl/ adjective pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically. Seeing the mind in action. Or rather, something is beautiful when it rhymes with the flow of the mind. Even the renegade mind? I see you're introducing a new definition of 'mind'. Or are we using the definition you offered? But as for 'renegades' they are beautiful. Hhhhhmmmmm. hHHMMMM
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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This man has really 'bent time to his will'. He's an alien, mainly because he knows where the real fight is and has learned how to win. http://www.theguardian.c...rld-title-atlantic-city
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