@much know

You are angry which is ok but listen.

No government anywhere can prevent anyone from being conned.

The government can choose to hunt down and destroy a con but that will not make any 'thick' citizen any more knowledgeable or aware.

You get conned, you understand more about yourself and the world around you better...you possibly teach others.

Willing buyer willing seller.

When the buyer begins to see less value than they spent or are spending.. they opt out.

Free market.


Wacha watu wagongwe

@mukiri...you seem to believe so much in witchcraft. A true man of God...I can help ypu with charms to increase the number of flock in your church...

it's OK for a pastor to play with toys. enjoying life is not a sin; how you enjoy life is where the line lies

Play?

As in amuse oneself? Tickle one's senses? Appreciate torque as one zooms away? Make heads turn at the boom of the exhaust? Be the talk of town with one's shiny new, exotic machine?

Why not?

As soon as he can tell Hamburglar, and those in the grind, why there is presently being experienced lots of suffering and pain in the world when there is a good God who is currently showering one with expensive toys.

Some things we do do more to entrench sin and rebellion against God than all the verbal sermons we give to 'save' from sin.

We expect too much from others. For most of us happiness and lack of it, 'success' is measured by how others perceive and approve of us.

Even our criticism of Kanyari is guided by this. For so far I haven't seen anyone show beyond reasonable doubt that Kanyari is a con, and others from Western missionary built Churches aren't.

And why should lay members have the big houses and cars while the pastors live modest lives? I remember sometime back in a middle class and pentecostal environment a pastor lamenting to the fact that she had no car while some members had more than one car.

Then again building schools, hospitals, taking care of the widows and orphans is nothing if there's no love.

But what's love? Many claim to know it, but if you know how to weigh the heart, you can't go wrong.

How many of us can weigh the heart?

[quote=Mwendia]guys these criminal activities are not new they are happen the world over, see the case of Popoff.

Peter Popoff, the controversial televangelist who amassed millions from a “prophetic anointing” that was later revealed to have come, at least in part, from information fed to him over a radio by his wife, Elizabeth, is now hawking baggies of “miracle spring water” that promises to rid its drinkers from debt.

The wealth-attracting water is being marketed through Popoff’s website and early morning and late night broadcasts on popular Cable TV channels like Black Entertainment Television (BET) despite a wealth of evidence, including a report by noted skeptic, James Randi, that his miracle ministry reeks of chicanery.

See the link below

http://www.csicop.org/si...sing_the_faith-healers/[/quote]

Was Kinjeketile, a criminal? A con man?

Coz they are a minority!

I don't think this guys did anything that a court of law would find him to have broken any law, a good prosecutor might be able to but it's not a straightforward case. Let's look at it from the legal point of view.

1). Obtaining property(Money) by false pretenses- He did not promise to deliver a tangible goods/service so there isn't tangible prove that he didn't deliver it.

But healing is intangible and we can call it a service so he can still be guilty of not delivering the service, however, the service he promised was not time pound it was just a service to be provided in future so he cannot be guilty of not providing that service because time has not pass, "future"

2. Murder/attempt Murder- He promised to heal people, so died waiting for the healing and some almost died. Well as long as he didn't tell people to stop taking their drugs or stop seeing their doctors, he is not guilty his service is like alternative medicine, Meditation etc

3. what other legal law? bring it on.

I have had a rethink. Perhaps I was too hasty in my reply.

Some 'pastor' in the vicinity has been associated with and linked to certain 'toys'. His 'enjoyment' while certainly not anyone's business neuters his verbal exhortations.

So it is absolutely not OK.

So, yea, some things we do or did do more to entrench sin and rebellion against God than all the verbal sermons we give to 'save' from sin.