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tycho wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:In church you tithe and give offering and it's it's the man of god & elders who decide on what it should be used to do. that's not a business investment or tax that you should be involved in what it does!! From my spiritual knowledge ones you give OUT OF YOUR WILLING HEART God accepts and will bless your stores abundantly,whether the pastor misuses it or not. If you're praying and in spirit God guides you to the right place of worship. It's this kind of reasoning that keeps the Kanyari's of this world in business! Gosh!!! The level of gullibility is amazing! People assume a pastor and God are one and the same. Ati don't question a man of God. What? A bucket load of horse manure! A pure con man stealing in the name of the lord and you tell me not to question? Your reasoning is also poor. 1. Don't tithe or give offering for ppl to see you or pastor to use well. Give because you're willing as God commands 2. don't stop going to church and offering because the offering was misused by one pastor somewhere. You're giving to the pastor; you're offering to God. 3. If you feel the offering/tithe is mis allocated(umekwazika rohoni) either don't give or move out to another place of worship where you. "think" it'll be well managed. Rem it's only GOD's spirit that can guide you not your so called laws & calculations. 4. Matters giving & spiritual are not easily identified criminal if it's willfully. maybe the fake id's registrations but not on giving uombewe and of which waliombewa whether upone usipone. 5. Use some wisdom in picking out manure because the manure is very much important in agriculture the backbone of our economy. @ Boris... Walk with me very briefly..... God has given us the ability to know 'him' through the things that can be seen i.e nature all around us is preaching the nature and attributes of God (See Romans 2) In your observation of the mind blowing diversity of the universe, nature ... all of it.. from the expanse of space to the expanse of the microscopic world.. Is it possible to conclude that the designer and sustainer of all this needs anything from a human being ? much less money ?? @mtu biz I see you're drawing me to a debate of the genuineness of "giving to God" . I won't go that way. It's good you've gone through the bible but I think was for discussion purposes & not spiritual nourishment , sorry if am wrong. Read again my no. 1&2 and understand. Further fro the bible you'll get more revelations. What I mean is that now that God helps us see the rogue pastors let's now make decisions as persons other than fighting the pastor for we know God has permitted such evil things among others for us to know good & evil. we can't fight the devil physically. How can one know that Kanyari is 'rogue'? @philosopher tycho it depends on which side you're inclined: 1. Spiritual. a. Read scriptures on giving & character of church leaders and ask for holy spirit guidance and you'll see that. 2. Worldly. a. Look for laws & acts governing churches b. look into kenyan laws in general. c. Obtain the church's programmes, activities they engage in and financial statements. d. Find the lines separating crime &justified ,good & evil. with help of specialists & consultants. e. subject kanyari to these. Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Boris, sorry but your recommendations are not practicable to the unschooled, the sick and suffering, the desperate. And if one were even schooled, and a prosecutor in fact, the matter would still be up for contention. For laws are by nature contentious.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Mtu biz, if God requires obedience then it's possible that he may require an expression of value, and money is a measure of value.
So money can be involved, and the fattening of the shepherd to provide a test for those who covet.
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tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, if God requires obedience then it's possible that he may require an expression of value, and money is a measure of value.
So money can be involved, and the fattening of the shepherd to provide a test for those who covet. That would mean the human and the rest of creation are under two different laws of obedience, with the rest of creation free to express the fullness of the purpose for which it was intended and the human reduced to a system of rules within which the human proves himself worthy of God by fattening Gods purported representative.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, if God requires obedience then it's possible that he may require an expression of value, and money is a measure of value.
So money can be involved, and the fattening of the shepherd to provide a test for those who covet. That would mean the human and the rest of creation are under two different laws of obedience, with the rest of creation free to express the fullness of the purpose for which it was intended and the human reduced to a system of rules within which the human proves himself worthy of God by fattening Gods purported representative. And why is that? Don't cows tithe their milk, and sacrifice their own for the sake of the kingdom of cows?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, if God requires obedience then it's possible that he may require an expression of value, and money is a measure of value.
So money can be involved, and the fattening of the shepherd to provide a test for those who covet. That would mean the human and the rest of creation are under two different laws of obedience, with the rest of creation free to express the fullness of the purpose for which it was intended and the human reduced to a system of rules within which the human proves himself worthy of God by fattening Gods purported representative. And why is that? Don't cows tithe their milk, and sacrifice their own for the sake of the kingdom of cows? Cows have no spiritual hierarchy among them.. to whom among their number do they tithe or sacrifice?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, if God requires obedience then it's possible that he may require an expression of value, and money is a measure of value.
So money can be involved, and the fattening of the shepherd to provide a test for those who covet. That would mean the human and the rest of creation are under two different laws of obedience, with the rest of creation free to express the fullness of the purpose for which it was intended and the human reduced to a system of rules within which the human proves himself worthy of God by fattening Gods purported representative. And why is that? Don't cows tithe their milk, and sacrifice their own for the sake of the kingdom of cows? Cows have no spiritual hierarchy among them.. to whom among their number do they tithe or sacrifice? Man sacrifices to the power beyond, 'God', and the cows to the powers beyond, the benevolent Man who feeds them and answers to their distress. How could cows be domesticated if they had no understanding, and sense of leadership amongst themselves and with Man?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, if God requires obedience then it's possible that he may require an expression of value, and money is a measure of value.
So money can be involved, and the fattening of the shepherd to provide a test for those who covet. That would mean the human and the rest of creation are under two different laws of obedience, with the rest of creation free to express the fullness of the purpose for which it was intended and the human reduced to a system of rules within which the human proves himself worthy of God by fattening Gods purported representative. And why is that? Don't cows tithe their milk, and sacrifice their own for the sake of the kingdom of cows? Cows have no spiritual hierarchy among them.. to whom among their number do they tithe or sacrifice? Man sacrifices to the power beyond, 'God', and the cows to the powers beyond, the benevolent Man who feeds them and answers to their distress. How could cows be domesticated if they had no understanding, and sense of leadership amongst themselves and with Man? Na wilderbeests ama duck billed platipi ?? Mungu wao ni binadamu?
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