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VituVingiSana
#801 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:28:26 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
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@urstill1 - If KUSCOL was listed and trading at an independently calculated NAV... I would buy as many as I could. I have a feeling it is going to very profitable as the other "GoK" sugar firms collapse.


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@murchr was also wondering whether the new Director of Immigration would provide solutions at the borders in regards to sugar too?
We need efficiencies not protectionism. Why should we pay 2x world prices for sugar?
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#802 Posted : Saturday, August 30, 2014 11:40:27 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@urstill1 - If KUSCOL was listed and trading at an independently calculated NAV... I would buy as many as I could. I have a feeling it is going to very profitable as the other "GoK" sugar firms collapse.


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@murchr was also wondering whether the new Director of Immigration would provide solutions at the borders in regards to sugar too?
We need efficiencies not protectionism. Why should we pay 2x world prices for sugar?


Well, the article seeks to satisfy that GoK is exiting to allow 'able' private sector. Then you can have peace of mind. Probably buy shares too. Apologies then.
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#803 Posted : Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:18:08 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@urstill1 - If KUSCOL was listed and trading at an independently calculated NAV... I would buy as many as I could. I have a feeling it is going to very profitable as the other "GoK" sugar firms collapse.


Special Delivery

@murchr was also wondering whether the new Director of Immigration would provide solutions at the borders in regards to sugar too?
We need efficiencies not protectionism. Why should we pay 2x world prices for sugar?


Well, the article seeks to satisfy that GoK is exiting to allow 'able' private sector. Then you can have peace of mind. Probably buy shares too. Apologies then.


GoK extiting? Ok, possibly doing so?
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#804 Posted : Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:44:23 AM
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@urstill1 Doing what exactly?

The crux is that what Finance CS is saying in that article is directly linked to step number 3 of the script - Improving competitiveness in the sector.
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#805 Posted : Sunday, August 31, 2014 8:50:04 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
@urstill1 Doing what exactly?

The crux is that what Finance CS is saying in that article is directly linked to step number 3 of the script - Improving competitiveness in the sector.


Possibly exiting. Sorry for the ambiguity of my statement.
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#806 Posted : Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:16:11 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
@urstill1 - If KUSCOL was listed and trading at an independently calculated NAV... I would buy as many as I could. I have a feeling it is going to very profitable as the other "GoK" sugar firms collapse.


Special Delivery

@murchr was also wondering whether the new Director of Immigration would provide solutions at the borders in regards to sugar too?
We need efficiencies not protectionism. Why should we pay 2x world prices for sugar?


Well, the article seeks to satisfy that GoK is exiting to allow 'able' private sector. Then you can have peace of mind. Probably buy shares too. Apologies then.
Protectionism goes all the way to subsidizing or forcing private firms to pay uncompetitive prices to inefficient farmers for cane. KUSCOL [from the website] have chosen to establish a large nucleus estate instead of (primary) reliance on out-growers.
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Kihara joni
#807 Posted : Monday, November 03, 2014 1:22:21 PM
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someone is buying MSC enmass what is up with this stock currently at 1.75
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#808 Posted : Monday, November 03, 2014 1:30:33 PM
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Kihara joni wrote:
someone is buying MSC enmass what is up with this stock currently at 1.75

Eveready was once at 1.6!
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#809 Posted : Monday, November 03, 2014 2:23:33 PM
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The guy knows the share will be one day at 3 bob.

He will nearly double his money.

The theory goes like, its easier to double one bob than to double 100 bob
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#810 Posted : Monday, November 03, 2014 3:08:46 PM
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Any mumias lender must be calculating how much what is left is worth as at now.
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#811 Posted : Friday, January 02, 2015 10:03:27 PM
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Some amazing facts on MSC after the interview with one respected Mr.Otolo MD mumias courtesy of NTV news.

1.Mumias will take approx 18 months to return to profitability after the bail out.

2.Mumias owes 6 financial institution 6.5Bn which they are unableble to service at the moment.

3.They plan to renegotiate the repayments by either:
a)restructuring the loan repayments to longterm ones
b)negotiating for an year waiver on repayments.

4.MSC is requesting GOK for a 2.5bn bail out,no response from GOK,though there are good signs (aka "we are certain but not sure" #chef).

5.They have resumed production to full throstle.

as heard to the best of my ears..
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VituVingiSana
#812 Posted : Friday, January 02, 2015 10:25:35 PM
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Magnate wrote:
Some amazing facts on MSC after the interview with one respected Mr.Otolo MD mumias courtesy of NTV news.

1.Mumias will take approx 18 months to return to profitability after the bail out.

2.Mumias owes 6 financial institution 6.5Bn which they are unableble to service at the moment.

3.They plan to renegotiate the repayments by either:
a)restructuring the loan repayments to longterm ones
b)negotiating for an year waiver on repayments.

4.MSC is requesting GOK for a 2.5bn bail out,no response from GOK,though there are good signs (aka "we are certain but not sure" #chef).

5.They have resumed production to full throstle.

as heard to the best of my ears..

When was the interview? Link?

BTW, what does a 'bailout' mean? Does that mean the GoK cash into Mumias wipes out the existing shareholders' equity?
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#813 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:31:26 AM
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streetwise wrote:
The guy knows the share will be one day at 3 bob.

He will nearly double his money.

The theory goes like, its easier to double one bob than to double 100 bob


Easier to lose 1bob than to lose 100 bob.
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#814 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 7:43:25 AM
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Magnate wrote:

2.Mumias owes 6 financial institution 6.5Bn which they are unableble to service at the moment.

3.They plan to renegotiate the repayments by either:
a)restructuring the loan repayments to longterm ones
b)negotiating for an year waiver on repayments.
.


Loans from CBA and Eco Bank to build the 5B ethanol plant. That is where the problem started.

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#815 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 8:39:05 AM
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6.5 billion! unserviceable loans. these gava firms will never cease to amaze. let them rebuild so that others can pull it down again in future.
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#816 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 12:34:02 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Magnate wrote:
Some amazing facts on MSC after the interview with one respected Mr.Otolo MD mumias courtesy of NTV news.

1.Mumias will take approx 18 months to return to profitability after the bail out.

2.Mumias owes 6 financial institution 6.5Bn which they are unableble to service at the moment.

3.They plan to renegotiate the repayments by either:
a)restructuring the loan repayments to longterm ones
b)negotiating for an year waiver on repayments.

4.MSC is requesting GOK for a 2.5bn bail out,no response from GOK,though there are good signs (aka "we are certain but not sure" #chef).

5.They have resumed production to full throstle.

as heard to the best of my ears..

When was the interview? Link?
interview aired on 2nd jan 2015 at 9:00pm NTV business news

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000146412/mumias-sugar-company-seeks-sh2-4b-state-bailout?pageNo=1


BTW, what does a 'bailout' mean? Does that mean the GoK cash into Mumias wipes out the existing shareholders' equity?

No diagnosis,no pragnosis,no pragnosis no profit......Jesse livermore
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Magnate
#817 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 12:42:31 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Magnate wrote:

2.Mumias owes 6 financial institution 6.5Bn which they are unableble to service at the moment.

3.They plan to renegotiate the repayments by either:
a)restructuring the loan repayments to longterm ones
b)negotiating for an year waiver on repayments.
.


Loans from CBA and Eco Bank to build the 5B ethanol plant. That is where the problem started.


add to that the sugar importation deal that went sour according to mr.Otolo.
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#818 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:10:33 AM
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sparkly wrote:
streetwise wrote:
The guy knows the share will be one day at 3 bob.

He will nearly double his money.

The theory goes like, its easier to double one bob than to double 100 bob


Easier to lose 1bob than to lose 100 bob.
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#819 Posted : Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:42:29 AM
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And the prophets of doom continue. If they know who is involved then they should do something about it.

http://weeklycitizennews...d-mumias-sugar-from.html
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#820 Posted : Tuesday, January 06, 2015 11:13:15 AM
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OOOH so this is the same guy who has been buying millions of shares at less tha 2 shillings and keeping the price just there
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