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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:All is not in the mind. All is mind. Thanks Tycho. You are quite right. I digress. A new creature living on sea bed has just been discoverd, was it in the mind? A new one will be discovered 2100 is it in the mind now ? It is often said that a major distinction of human beings is the ability of the mind to 'look back on itself' - to assume an external viewing point (even where none exists) for the purpose of critical self questioning. This is not to say that the mind understand itself fully. Far from it. There is a relationship between 'understanding' and 'knowledge'. What is it? Same difference! Is understanding without knowing possible?
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:All is not in the mind. All is mind. Thanks Tycho. You are quite right. I digress. A new creature living on sea bed has just been discoverd, was it in the mind? A new one will be discovered 2100 is it in the mind now ? It is often said that a major distinction of human beings is the ability of the mind to 'look back on itself' - to assume an external viewing point (even where none exists) for the purpose of critical self questioning. This is not to say that the mind understand itself fully. Far from it. There is a relationship between 'understanding' and 'knowledge'. What is it? Same difference! Is understanding without knowing possible? Yes of course. There is understanding based on faith, is there not? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:[quote=vky]can the mind be primed to heal the body without external intervention? http://mobile.nytimes.co...&_r=0&referrer=[/quote] I think we might be losing the really big implications of this article. Let me stretch things a bit here: 1. The mind is the most important actor in healing, aging, performance etc. That is why in some cases placebos are seen to work better than the real item. They incite the mind to get working. 2. All medicine is a placebo. It is not the drugs that heal but the mind. The entire medical industry is therefore based on a lie. 3. The only value we get from drugs, diet, exercise etc, is because these serve as reinforcers (crutches) for the mind. Once you swallow that concoction you expect to get better and so you do. 4. Jesus was right 'your faith has healed you' Have a mindful weekend, won't you? i concur with your sentiments save for point 4, i believe that the human mind is the ultimate tool in achieving wellness and health but the human mind today is laden with mental fear and scarcity such that our minds operate along the lines of what we have been told we can or cannot do. we need to rid ourselves of this fearful and scarce mentality that plagues humanity then we shall realize the power of the mind over our bodies. 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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vky wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:[quote=vky]can the mind be primed to heal the body without external intervention? http://mobile.nytimes.co...&_r=0&referrer=[/quote] I think we might be losing the really big implications of this article. Let me stretch things a bit here: 1. The mind is the most important actor in healing, aging, performance etc. That is why in some cases placebos are seen to work better than the real item. They incite the mind to get working. 2. All medicine is a placebo. It is not the drugs that heal but the mind. The entire medical industry is therefore based on a lie. 3. The only value we get from drugs, diet, exercise etc, is because these serve as reinforcers (crutches) for the mind. Once you swallow that concoction you expect to get better and so you do. 4. Jesus was right 'your faith has healed you' Have a mindful weekend, won't you? i concur with your sentiments save for point 4, i believe that the human mind is the ultimate tool in achieving wellness and health but the human mind today is laden with mental fear and scarcity such that our minds operate along the lines of what we have been told we can or cannot do. we need to rid ourselves of this fearful and scarce mentality that plagues humanity then we shall realize the power of the mind over our bodies. You are right. The state of the human mind today is like a powerful Ferrari engine running on dirty water. That is all the fear and negativity we cram into it. Despite all that, it still does a great job. As for number 4....you have a problem with JC? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:All is not in the mind. All is mind. Thanks Tycho. You are quite right. I digress. A new creature living on sea bed has just been discoverd, was it in the mind? A new one will be discovered 2100 is it in the mind now ? It is often said that a major distinction of human beings is the ability of the mind to 'look back on itself' - to assume an external viewing point (even where none exists) for the purpose of critical self questioning. This is not to say that the mind understand itself fully. Far from it. There is a relationship between 'understanding' and 'knowledge'. What is it? Same difference! Is understanding without knowing possible? Yes of course. There is understanding based on faith, is there not? Yes, absolutely there is. There crumbles the atheists' bulwark. Hence Vky's skepticism of point #4 is nothing but fear. There can be knowledge, understanding with and by faith. The details of that is another story. Faith hence cannot be the dirty water in the Ferrari engine of the human mind. What could it be? What is this maliciously holding back the human mind?
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:All is not in the mind. All is mind. Thanks Tycho. You are quite right. I digress. A new creature living on sea bed has just been discoverd, was it in the mind? A new one will be discovered 2100 is it in the mind now ? It is often said that a major distinction of human beings is the ability of the mind to 'look back on itself' - to assume an external viewing point (even where none exists) for the purpose of critical self questioning. This is not to say that the mind understand itself fully. Far from it. There is a relationship between 'understanding' and 'knowledge'. What is it? Same difference! Is understanding without knowing possible? Yes of course. There is understanding based on faith, is there not? Yes, absolutely there is. There crumbles the atheists' bulwark. Hence Vky's skepticism of point #4 is nothing but fear. There can be knowledge, understanding with and by faith. The details of that is another story. Faith hence cannot be the dirty water in the Ferrari engine of the human mind. What could it be? What is this maliciously holding back the human mind? You guys are either geniuses or you are nuts. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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kaka2za wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:All is not in the mind. All is mind. Thanks Tycho. You are quite right. I digress. A new creature living on sea bed has just been discoverd, was it in the mind? A new one will be discovered 2100 is it in the mind now ? It is often said that a major distinction of human beings is the ability of the mind to 'look back on itself' - to assume an external viewing point (even where none exists) for the purpose of critical self questioning. This is not to say that the mind understand itself fully. Far from it. There is a relationship between 'understanding' and 'knowledge'. What is it? Same difference! Is understanding without knowing possible? Yes of course. There is understanding based on faith, is there not? Yes, absolutely there is. There crumbles the atheists' bulwark. Hence Vky's skepticism of point #4 is nothing but fear. There can be knowledge, understanding with and by faith. The details of that is another story. Faith hence cannot be the dirty water in the Ferrari engine of the human mind. What could it be? What is this maliciously holding back the human mind? You guys are either geniuses or you are nuts. @limanika  In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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vky wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:[quote=vky]can the mind be primed to heal the body without external intervention? http://mobile.nytimes.co...&_r=0&referrer=[/quote] I think we might be losing the really big implications of this article. Let me stretch things a bit here: 1. The mind is the most important actor in healing, aging, performance etc. That is why in some cases placebos are seen to work better than the real item. They incite the mind to get working. 2. All medicine is a placebo. It is not the drugs that heal but the mind. The entire medical industry is therefore based on a lie. 3. The only value we get from drugs, diet, exercise etc, is because these serve as reinforcers (crutches) for the mind. Once you swallow that concoction you expect to get better and so you do. 4. Jesus was right 'your faith has healed you' Have a mindful weekend, won't you? i concur with your sentiments save for point 4, i believe that the human mind is the ultimate tool in achieving wellness and health but the human mind today is laden with mental fear and scarcity such that our minds operate along the lines of what we have been told we can or cannot do. we need to rid ourselves of this fearful and scarce mentality that plagues humanity then we shall realize the power of the mind over our bodies. @vky, what you're saying is the crux of Christ's message to humans. The mind you've described is the mind of the fallen Man. And it's remedy, is to be born again. To clean the mind, and to look at a new reality. Heaven. The place of super abundance and perfect love, knowledge and understanding. Maybe the word that put you off is 'faith', but knowledge is impossible without faith. Because knowing entails working out. How then can the ignorant get to work and find light? They must have faith, hope and love. Faith heals because it works the sick, out. It facilitates healing from deep within. It's medicine to the fear you've just described.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kaka2za wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:limanika wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:tycho wrote:All is not in the mind. All is mind. Thanks Tycho. You are quite right. I digress. A new creature living on sea bed has just been discoverd, was it in the mind? A new one will be discovered 2100 is it in the mind now ? It is often said that a major distinction of human beings is the ability of the mind to 'look back on itself' - to assume an external viewing point (even where none exists) for the purpose of critical self questioning. This is not to say that the mind understand itself fully. Far from it. There is a relationship between 'understanding' and 'knowledge'. What is it? Same difference! Is understanding without knowing possible? Yes of course. There is understanding based on faith, is there not? Yes, absolutely there is. There crumbles the atheists' bulwark. Hence Vky's skepticism of point #4 is nothing but fear. There can be knowledge, understanding with and by faith. The details of that is another story. Faith hence cannot be the dirty water in the Ferrari engine of the human mind. What could it be? What is this maliciously holding back the human mind? You guys are either geniuses or you are nuts. They could also be both or 'none of the above'.
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tycho wrote:vky wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:[quote=vky]can the mind be primed to heal the body without external intervention? http://mobile.nytimes.co...&_r=0&referrer=[/quote] I think we might be losing the really big implications of this article. Let me stretch things a bit here: 1. The mind is the most important actor in healing, aging, performance etc. That is why in some cases placebos are seen to work better than the real item. They incite the mind to get working. 2. All medicine is a placebo. It is not the drugs that heal but the mind. The entire medical industry is therefore based on a lie. 3. The only value we get from drugs, diet, exercise etc, is because these serve as reinforcers (crutches) for the mind. Once you swallow that concoction you expect to get better and so you do. 4. Jesus was right 'your faith has healed you' Have a mindful weekend, won't you? i concur with your sentiments save for point 4, i believe that the human mind is the ultimate tool in achieving wellness and health but the human mind today is laden with mental fear and scarcity such that our minds operate along the lines of what we have been told we can or cannot do. we need to rid ourselves of this fearful and scarce mentality that plagues humanity then we shall realize the power of the mind over our bodies. @vky, what you're saying is the crux of Christ's message to humans. The mind you've described is the mind of the fallen Man. And it's remedy, is to be born again. To clean the mind, and to look at a new reality. Heaven. The place of super abundance and perfect love, knowledge and understanding. Maybe the word that put you off is 'faith', but knowledge is impossible without faith. Because knowing entails working out. How then can the ignorant get to work and find light? They must have faith, hope and love. Faith heals because it works the sick, out. It facilitates healing from deep within. It's medicine to the fear you've just described. that is one way to look at it which would appeal to the religious mind and i have no problems with that as human beings will believe what they want to, however, i on the other hand am not religious and have very little regard for divinely posited codes on how one should conduct his/her life. i do agree with you that humanity needs to look at a new reality, indeed this was the subject of a convo i had with a friend who was looking to clean wipe his mind with the aid of cannabis, deep meditation and self sequestration so as to achieve a different outlook on reality ... whether he achieves it or not one thing is for sure our current reality is just bad for our body and mind in my world faith knowledge is no knowledge, its a state of mind, knowledge can exist devoid of faith and the seeker's state of mind will determine the knowledge 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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