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AlphDoti wrote:Wendz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place! Relax man! Has anyone broken any law? You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness. As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed. @Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all. Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates? I wonder if he feels uncomfortable when he hears those speakers everywhere in that T-mall blaring out Gospel music. Tune in to any TV station on Sunday preaching is everywhere. Go to some estates along the roads there are preaching everywhere, one church this door, another church next door. Alpha, cool down. some of us pick out the place you can call home by the proximity of churches...... the further the better. There is nothing wrong with that. I believe we have had a lengthy discussion here on the churches in apartments and we were all in agreement that it is crazy.... I dont see anything wrong with this discomfort. Infact, the title of the thread made me open it..... why? it's weird and I wouldn't be comfortable either. It's okay mum @wendz. Your point is clear, in many words you still said indirectly what @magigi has said. You just hate, you think a class of children will be training there how to shoot guns. You think there will be bombs there in T-Mall. You believe that down inside your mind. How naive can people be! If it were a church inside there in T-Mall, it won't have been an issue. Just like @swenani has asked very good questions. But I assure you'll never see a Madrasa which trains any terrorist. When you talk of theft, if you find a thief Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of cheating, if you find a lier Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of stealing, if you find a burglar Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of prostitution, if you find a prostitute Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of murder, if you find a killer Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. All you will be seeing and believing are what you'll only see being alleged on the TV. You will never see a real person, a real Muslim carrying what you are being told on TV. In real, you'll find a Muslim is a wonderful person. Somebody who wakes up at night to pray and submit to God. Somebody who is more productive, with clear guidance, pure guidance, who walks amongst men honourably and proudly (not arrogantly)! Somebody who knows his way, which is right and which ois wrong. Somebody who can see the wrong and who can see the right clearly. Somebody who prays 5 times a day, like somebody who takes batch 5 times a day, Somebody who fasts. Somebody who is teaching others to be good.... Somebody who eats clean food. Somebody who does not womanize women Somebody who does not have different kinds of women Somebody who takes responsibility, treating women with respect and honorably Somebody who respects his mother and father Somebody who approach people with respect @AlphDoti. I'm correcting your %'s. Having interacted with them in Garrissa Wajir Elwak Daadab Mombasa etc Daytime they're holy what they do at night.......God forbid Everybody STEALS, a THIEF is one who's CAUGHT stealing something of LITTLE VALUE. !!!
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Boris Boyka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Wendz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place! Relax man! Has anyone broken any law? You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness. As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed. @Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all. Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates? I wonder if he feels uncomfortable when he hears those speakers everywhere in that T-mall blaring out Gospel music. Tune in to any TV station on Sunday preaching is everywhere. Go to some estates along the roads there are preaching everywhere, one church this door, another church next door. Alpha, cool down. some of us pick out the place you can call home by the proximity of churches...... the further the better. There is nothing wrong with that. I believe we have had a lengthy discussion here on the churches in apartments and we were all in agreement that it is crazy.... I dont see anything wrong with this discomfort. Infact, the title of the thread made me open it..... why? it's weird and I wouldn't be comfortable either. It's okay mum @wendz. Your point is clear, in many words you still said indirectly what @magigi has said. You just hate, you think a class of children will be training there how to shoot guns. You think there will be bombs there in T-Mall. You believe that down inside your mind. How naive can people be! If it were a church inside there in T-Mall, it won't have been an issue. Just like @swenani has asked very good questions. But I assure you'll never see a Madrasa which trains any terrorist. When you talk of theft, if you find a thief Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of cheating, if you find a lier Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of stealing, if you find a burglar Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of prostitution, if you find a prostitute Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of murder, if you find a killer Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. All you will be seeing and believing are what you'll only see being alleged on the TV. You will never see a real person, a real Muslim carrying what you are being told on TV. In real, you'll find a Muslim is a wonderful person. Somebody who wakes up at night to pray and submit to God. Somebody who is more productive, with clear guidance, pure guidance, who walks amongst men honourably and proudly (not arrogantly)! Somebody who knows his way, which is right and which ois wrong. Somebody who can see the wrong and who can see the right clearly. Somebody who prays 5 times a day, like somebody who takes batch 5 times a day, Somebody who fasts. Somebody who is teaching others to be good.... Somebody who eats clean food. Somebody who does not womanize women Somebody who does not have different kinds of women Somebody who takes responsibility, treating women with respect and honorably Somebody who respects his mother and father Somebody who approach people with respect @AlphDoti. I'm correcting your %'s. Having interacted with them in Garrissa Wajir Elwak Daadab Mombasa etc Daytime they're holy what they do at night.......God forbid I do feel uncomfortable when I hear those loud speakers and also the proliferation of churchesin every corner. On more than one occasion have voiced my concern and wished someone would do something about that noise pollution. I don't want to go into international politics now coz it would never end WHO DARES WINS
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We should stop these pretence; We are either a democracy, dictatorship or a failed state We are either literate or illiterate we are either religious tolerant or religious intolerant we can own property anywhere in this Republic and use it as we deem fit or we aaren't allowed to we have freedom of expression,speech, religion or not YOU CANNOT HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT. If you think a madras is wrong at T-mall, it's alap wrong, insensitive and lack of commonsense for a non gema to own land in central and non kalenjin to own land in riftvalley If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Hehehehe I love those % all those in contention can go over to kariokor cemetery and talk with mwosha maiti over there, he has cleaned over 300 bullet ridden bodies of young men between the ages of 18-39 who were violent criminals, this year alone, tungoje the next two crime laden months. The most times I have been lied to while in prima, it started with Wallahi! Its all good.
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@Alphdoti...yes I am well schooled and I do not perpetuate any insensitivity in any religion. I have muslims who are dear friends to me. My neighbour is a muslim and he does share a cut of meat everytime muslims are celebrating events. I get him a live chicken every time I travel upcountry. Thats how we love each other... That is enough to show my committment to respecting those who profess the muslim faith... ...Now... those bastards who killed 60+ people were seen praying at 4 pm after accomplishing what they had been sent to do by their Messenger...How can one tell a good guy from bad guys? ..
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McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled?
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Atalaku wrote:McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled? Ok @atalaku, I called a friend of mine in T-Mall, Nbi and asked him if there's a madrasa at the mall. He said there's none, he's a "team-player" (that's their way of saying staff). He says there's a restaurant at the basement. So I guess you dreamt about it. NOTE: As regards Westgate story, it all seemed acted to me. The government knows who killed Kenyans that day. That's why First family were warned not to go around there, unfortunately the nephew who died in the fracas went back for his girlfriend, he was not to die. That's why many Muslims died in the fracas, including the pregnant lady who was hosting children on the top terrace, that's why many Muslims were buried that as unsay and Monday. That's why te whole episode was handled very suspiciously by the government, even to a point of KDF shooting a regge guy on the leg, an eventually setting up the place on fire and eventually blowing it to destroy evidence. If you don't believe sometimes governments kill its own people forth reasons known to themselves, check out the collapse of the 3rd tower in 9/11 yet the building wa not hit by any plane. What caused the 3rd unhit building to collapse?
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AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled? Ok @atalaku, I called a friend of mine in T-Mall, Nbi and asked him if there's a madrasa at the mall. He said there's none, he's a "team-player" (that's their way of saying staff). He says there's a restaurant at the basement. So I guess you dreamt about it. NOTE: As regards Westgate story, it all seemed acted to me. The government knows who killed Kenyans that day. That's why First family were warned not to go around there, unfortunately the nephew who died in the fracas went back for his girlfriend, he was not to die. That's why many Muslims died in the fracas, including the pregnant lady who was hosting children on the top terrace, that's why many Muslims were buried that as unsay and Monday. That's why te whole episode was handled very suspiciously by the government, even to a point of KDF shooting a regge guy on the leg, an eventually setting up the place on fire and eventually blowing it to destroy evidence. If you don't believe sometimes governments kill its own people forth reasons known to themselves, check out the collapse of the 3rd tower in 9/11 yet the building wa not hit by any plane. What caused the 3rd unhit building to collapse? Hello Wafula! Btw, are you a head teacher of a certain private school in central kenya? I think I know you!! If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled? Ok @atalaku, I called a friend of mine in T-Mall, Nbi and asked him if there's a madrasa at the mall. He said there's none, he's a "team-player" (that's their way of saying staff). He says there's a restaurant at the basement. So I guess you dreamt about it. NOTE: As regards Westgate story, it all seemed acted to me. The government knows who killed Kenyans that day. That's why First family were warned not to go around there, unfortunately the nephew who died in the fracas went back for his girlfriend, he was not to die. That's why many Muslims died in the fracas, including the pregnant lady who was hosting children on the top terrace, that's why many Muslims were buried that as unsay and Monday. That's why te whole episode was handled very suspiciously by the government, even to a point of KDF shooting a regge guy on the leg, an eventually setting up the place on fire and eventually blowing it to destroy evidence. If you don't believe sometimes governments kill its own people forth reasons known to themselves, check out the collapse of the 3rd tower in 9/11 yet the building wa not hit by any plane. What caused the 3rd unhit building to collapse? hehehe..religion work to prosper
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I noticed something that looks like a mosque being constructed within Galleria parking right after the Tire Center.I would build mosques in all major malls.....& I think that would bring down the chances of getting bombed. My thinking is that you cannot bomb or do Westgate kind of things in a place with a mosque. Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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AlphDoti wrote:Wendz wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Swenani wrote:marko wrote:Boris Boyka wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place! Relax man! Has anyone broken any law? You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness. As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror. am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed. @Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all. Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates? I wonder if he feels uncomfortable when he hears those speakers everywhere in that T-mall blaring out Gospel music. Tune in to any TV station on Sunday preaching is everywhere. Go to some estates along the roads there are preaching everywhere, one church this door, another church next door. Alpha, cool down. some of us pick out the place you can call home by the proximity of churches...... the further the better. There is nothing wrong with that. I believe we have had a lengthy discussion here on the churches in apartments and we were all in agreement that it is crazy.... I dont see anything wrong with this discomfort. Infact, the title of the thread made me open it..... why? it's weird and I wouldn't be comfortable either. It's okay mum @wendz. Your point is clear, in many words you still said indirectly what @magigi has said. You just hate, you think a class of children will be training there how to shoot guns. You think there will be bombs there in T-Mall. You believe that down inside your mind. How naive can people be! If it were a church inside there in T-Mall, it won't have been an issue. Just like @swenani has asked very good questions. But I assure you'll never see a Madrasa which trains any terrorist. When you talk of theft, if you find a thief Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of cheating, if you find a lier Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of stealing, if you find a burglar Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of prostitution, if you find a prostitute Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. When you talk of murder, if you find a killer Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%. All you will be seeing and believing are what you'll only see being alleged on the TV. You will never see a real person, a real Muslim carrying what you are being told on TV. In real, you'll find a Muslim is a wonderful person. Somebody who wakes up at night to pray and submit to God. Somebody who is more productive, with clear guidance, pure guidance, who walks amongst men honourably and proudly (not arrogantly)! Somebody who knows his way, which is right and which ois wrong. Somebody who can see the wrong and who can see the right clearly. Somebody who prays 5 times a day, like somebody who takes batch 5 times a day, Somebody who fasts. Somebody who is teaching others to be good.... Somebody who eats clean food. Somebody who does not womanize women Somebody who does not have different kinds of women Somebody who takes responsibility, treating women with respect and honorably Somebody who respects his mother and father Somebody who approach people with respect well............. I bet we shall never travel the same path in these matters.
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AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled? Ok @atalaku, I called a friend of mine in T-Mall, Nbi and asked him if there's a madrasa at the mall. He said there's none, he's a "team-player" (that's their way of saying staff). He says there's a restaurant at the basement. So I guess you dreamt about it. NOTE: As regards Westgate story, it all seemed acted to me. The government knows who killed Kenyans that day. That's why First family were warned not to go around there, unfortunately the nephew who died in the fracas went back for his girlfriend, he was not to die. That's why many Muslims died in the fracas, including the pregnant lady who was hosting children on the top terrace, that's why many Muslims were buried that as unsay and Monday. That's why te whole episode was handled very suspiciously by the government, even to a point of KDF shooting a regge guy on the leg, an eventually setting up the place on fire and eventually blowing it to destroy evidence. If you don't believe sometimes governments kill its own people forth reasons known to themselves, check out the collapse of the 3rd tower in 9/11 yet the building wa not hit by any plane. What caused the 3rd unhit building to collapse? Your friend lied to you. Where the restaurant used to be is under refurbishment and the day I was there there were muslims seated on the flour in a circular fashion seriously reciting the koran. On that I can swear. Maybe I misunderstood what they were doing. Probably they were dedicating a business to The Messenger. I am out of nairobi. When I get back I will gather courage, get back there and take some photos and share.
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Tokyo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled? Ok @atalaku, I called a friend of mine in T-Mall, Nbi and asked him if there's a madrasa at the mall. He said there's none, he's a "team-player" (that's their way of saying staff). He says there's a restaurant at the basement. So I guess you dreamt about it. NOTE: As regards Westgate story, it all seemed acted to me. The government knows who killed Kenyans that day. That's why First family were warned not to go around there, unfortunately the nephew who died in the fracas went back for his girlfriend, he was not to die. That's why many Muslims died in the fracas, including the pregnant lady who was hosting children on the top terrace, that's why many Muslims were buried that as unsay and Monday. That's why te whole episode was handled very suspiciously by the government, even to a point of KDF shooting a regge guy on the leg, an eventually setting up the place on fire and eventually blowing it to destroy evidence. If you don't believe sometimes governments kill its own people forth reasons known to themselves, check out the collapse of the 3rd tower in 9/11 yet the building wa not hit by any plane. What caused the 3rd unhit building to collapse? hehehe..religion ...so who hit the first and second tower...@Aphdoti is just the champion. Anyway I am not well versed with religious matters and I leave it at that!
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Atalaku wrote:Tokyo wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Atalaku wrote:McReggae wrote:Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!! What is your take? Do you think it makes sebse to have a madarasa class inside a mall after all that happened at westgate? Na watu wakiambiwa ukweli they say they are being profiled? Ok @atalaku, I called a friend of mine in T-Mall, Nbi and asked him if there's a madrasa at the mall. He said there's none, he's a "team-player" (that's their way of saying staff). He says there's a restaurant at the basement. So I guess you dreamt about it. NOTE: As regards Westgate story, it all seemed acted to me. The government knows who killed Kenyans that day. That's why First family were warned not to go around there, unfortunately the nephew who died in the fracas went back for his girlfriend, he was not to die. That's why many Muslims died in the fracas, including the pregnant lady who was hosting children on the top terrace, that's why many Muslims were buried that as unsay and Monday. That's why te whole episode was handled very suspiciously by the government, even to a point of KDF shooting a regge guy on the leg, an eventually setting up the place on fire and eventually blowing it to destroy evidence. If you don't believe sometimes governments kill its own people forth reasons known to themselves, check out the collapse of the 3rd tower in 9/11 yet the building wa not hit by any plane. What caused the 3rd unhit building to collapse? hehehe..religion ...so who hit the first and second tower...@Aphdoti is just the champion. Anyway I am not well versed with religious matters and I leave it at that! @atalaku, you sound sincere guy. You asked about what hit the 1st and the 2nd building? I think your guess is as good as mine, but they claimed that it was the planes only which based the collapse. But I've watched several analysis on this and one which puts those allegation to question is, if the twin towers were hit by planes, what about the 3rd building? What caused the free fall collapse yet no plane hit it? Doesn't that tell you the 9/11 is more than what we were told? It's confirmed now that Al-Qaeda and Taliban were created by the U.S to cause havoc in the world, there are reports that the 9/11 was also staged and blamed on Muslims, and that's why you keep seeing similar claims everyday, but none of those people were being told is real... Even the Westgate guys are not real, we don't know who they were and we'll never know! [YOUTUBE]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-LLWK1insN0[/YOUTUBE]
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@Mawinder...I raised the red flag here long time ago and guys thought I was joking!!!
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