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Madrasa/mosque at T-Mall?
Atalaku
#1 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:09:41 PM
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Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!
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#2 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:18:44 PM
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Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shuleta janisa kwa mall.



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#3 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:54:25 PM
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Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!


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Mtu Biz
#4 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:11:11 PM
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AlphDoti
#5 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:19:26 PM
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Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.
AlphDoti
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 1:56:23 PM
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If it was recited in Vatican, talk of T-Mall?

That's why the Quran will never be changed. Take any group of 10 Muslims, and you'll get at least one who has memorized all the 114 chapters!





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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:00:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.
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marko
#8 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:06:00 PM
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Boris Boyka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.


@Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all.
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marko
#9 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 2:08:09 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
If it was recited in Vatican, talk of T-Mall?

That's why the Quran will never be changed. Take any group of 10 Muslims, and you'll get at least one who has memorized all the 114 chapters!







Na uwache kushinda ukitutisha tisha na vile mnajua kucram quran. These crammers are the same buggers bombing everyone to oblivion.
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holycow
#10 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 3:22:28 PM
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marko wrote:

Na uwache kushinda ukitutisha tisha na vile mnajua kucram quran. These crammers are the same buggers bombing everyone to oblivion.

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AlphDoti
#11 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:15:54 PM
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marko wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.

@Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all.

@marko why shuldn't I respond and yet you're making wrong allegations? I have to clarify even though you may not agree, but at least I should correct. And why would you feel discomfort about a madrasa at any location? Because you have notion? That's why @magigi went ahead and made allegations about blowing up something. This is why I respond. I respond to ignorance.

And you tried to hide your same kind of thinking ati if it were a church you would be uncomfortable? We know so many churches who have setup in residential places, business places, road reserves, school compounds etc. And that is okay. You never complain.

@marko, do you know of anybody who has bombed anyone?
Who do you really know who has done these things? Not what you have heard, not what you have read in the newspapers, not what you have seen on TV, not what your teacher or professor say, not what your neighbours or friends say or what the priest or minister of your church say.

It is clear that what you have come to hear are just hearsay, CNN, BBC, or governments. We see real criminals everyday, and we never say Christians, even though they may claim to be Christians. On the contrary, we don't see any Muslim criminal, we only hear garments telling you, we only hear police telling you, we only hear U.S. telling you. We just hear, but we don't see, how amazing that is!
masukuma
#12 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:24:54 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
If it was recited in Vatican, talk of T-Mall?

That's why the Quran will never be changed. Take any group of 10 Muslims, and you'll get at least one who has memorized all the 114 chapters!






of course - it was wrong from the beginning. just because they all muslims can memorize it does not make it right - it just makes it "widely accepted"
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Swenani
#13 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:41:18 PM
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marko wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.


@Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all.


Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates?
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McReggae
#14 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:43:47 PM
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Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!!
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AlphDoti
#15 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:48:55 PM
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Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.

@Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all.

Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates?

I wonder if he feels uncomfortable when he hears those speakers everywhere in that T-mall blaring out Gospel music. Tune in to any TV station on Sunday preaching is everywhere. Go to some estates along the roads there are preaching everywhere, one church this door, another church next door.
AlphDoti
#16 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 4:54:45 PM
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McReggae wrote:
Seems objectivity will never prevail when this discussion comes up!!!

@mc you're right. People cannot debate without stereotyping! And this will continue as long as learned people still spread hearsay allegations which are not verified and you just believe them, then don't expect any change in the poor illiterate folks.

Take for example the U.S. which lied to all of us for decades about Taliban and Al Qaeda which turned out to be their own organization for unleashing terror on people, but still, even after that, learned people still believe in such B.S.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:16:10 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.

@Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all.

Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates?

I wonder if he feels uncomfortable when he hears those speakers everywhere in that T-mall blaring out Gospel music. Tune in to any TV station on Sunday preaching is everywhere. Go to some estates along the roads there are preaching everywhere, one church this door, another church next door.


Alpha, cool down. some of us pick out the place you can call home by the proximity of churches...... the further the better. There is nothing wrong with that. I believe we have had a lengthy discussion here on the churches in apartments and we were all in agreement that it is crazy.... I dont see anything wrong with this discomfort. Infact, the title of the thread made me open it..... why? it's weird and I wouldn't be comfortable either.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:19:47 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:

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AlphDoti
#19 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:33:41 PM
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Wendz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Swenani wrote:
marko wrote:
Boris Boyka wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Atalaku wrote:
Why has T mall allowed a madrasa at the ground floor...where a restaurant used to be. There are some young men reciting the Koran. No no no... that is the last time I have shopped there...sijaona kanisa ama shule kwa mall. Evil muslims may take advantage and blow up the whole place!

Relax man! Has anyone broken any law?

You need to grow out of this baseless ignorance, suspicion and mistrust of others, especially that you are a learned person. And there are really so many who are learned but have not overcame this weakness.

As regards "blow up the whole place", everybody needs to change their perception and turn everybody into partners in the war on terror.

am with @Atalaku on this. @Alphadoti it's not about law but about real "intention" loyalty ,patriotism trust e.t.c . Many of the terrorist meetings have been done in mosques with the leaders hiding information from security personell. this is in Kenya and neighboring states. FYI alchabibi commanders in Somalia live and conduct plans in mosques for they can't be bombed.

@Alphadoti. You don't have to answer every query or comment about Muslims or Islam. Ama wewe ndiye rep hapa? Relax yourself. The fellow just expressed his discomfort at having a religious institution in a shopping mall. I would also be very uncomfortable if it was a church. Maybe no law was broken, but there is something called common sense. It is not common sense to have a madrassa/mosque in a busy shopping mall. None at all.

Do you get uncomfortbale when christians preach on public srervice vehicles,,public walking places,public tv's,public radios and with proboxes in public estates?

I wonder if he feels uncomfortable when he hears those speakers everywhere in that T-mall blaring out Gospel music. Tune in to any TV station on Sunday preaching is everywhere. Go to some estates along the roads there are preaching everywhere, one church this door, another church next door.

Alpha, cool down. some of us pick out the place you can call home by the proximity of churches...... the further the better. There is nothing wrong with that. I believe we have had a lengthy discussion here on the churches in apartments and we were all in agreement that it is crazy.... I dont see anything wrong with this discomfort. Infact, the title of the thread made me open it..... why? it's weird and I wouldn't be comfortable either.

It's okay mum @wendz. Your point is clear, in many words you still said indirectly what @magigi has said. You just hate, you think a class of children will be training there how to shoot guns. You think there will be bombs there in T-Mall.
You believe that down inside your mind. How naive can people be!

If it were a church inside there in T-Mall, it won't have been an issue. Just like @swenani has asked very good questions.

But I assure you'll never see a Madrasa which trains any terrorist.
When you talk of theft, if you find a thief Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%.
When you talk of cheating, if you find a lier Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%.
When you talk of stealing, if you find a burglar Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%.
When you talk of prostitution, if you find a prostitute Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%.
When you talk of murder, if you find a killer Muslim, that will be less than 0.1%.

All you will be seeing and believing are what you'll only see being alleged on the TV. You will never see a real person, a real Muslim carrying what you are being told on TV.

In real, you'll find a Muslim is a wonderful person.
Somebody who wakes up at night to pray and submit to God.
Somebody who is more productive, with clear guidance, pure guidance, who walks amongst men honourably and proudly (not arrogantly)!
Somebody who knows his way, which is right and which ois wrong.
Somebody who can see the wrong and who can see the right clearly.
Somebody who prays 5 times a day, like somebody who takes batch 5 times a day,
Somebody who fasts.
Somebody who is teaching others to be good....
Somebody who eats clean food.
Somebody who does not womanize women
Somebody who does not have different kinds of women
Somebody who takes responsibility, treating women with respect and honorably
Somebody who respects his mother and father
Somebody who approach people with respect
AlphDoti
#20 Posted : Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:38:56 PM
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masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
If it was recited in Vatican, talk of T-Mall?

That's why the Quran will never be changed. Take any group of 10 Muslims, and you'll get at least one who has memorized all the 114 chapters!






of course - it was wrong from the beginning. just because they all muslims can memorize it does not make it right - it just makes it "widely accepted"

@masukuma, let the kids memorize and preserve it. It does not concern you. It's none of your business. The madrasa is not stopping anyone from carrying out their own business. Nobody is forcing you to go shop there. We have heard of all night noise from Carnivore, has it stopped Muslims from going to Wilson Airport to take flight? Or miraa from being transported? We have Madrasa is Eastleigh, has that stopped people from going there?

You denial that "it was wrong" from the beginning is your problem. You don't know what it is, but you still say it was wrong. How lazy you are to just drink lies without verifying?
Somebody said if you think education is expensive, try ignorance. Your problem runs deeper.
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