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Carbacid FY 12/13 Results
kasibitta
#61 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 2:59:19 PM
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@murch, @vvs @ aguy.....any current updates on BOC vs Carbacid.
jerry
#62 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:00:36 PM
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jawgey wrote:
Ilikeyou wrote:
This counter keeps going south,

Some one pls enlighten on probably reasons and whether it is an opportunity to buy.


I echo your sentiments, no idea what's going on but for me it's a good business and the only prudent thing am doing is stocking up!

This is seconded.
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mlennyma
#63 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:48:37 PM
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Half year was a decline but with no profit warning end year may be a smaller decline,I bought some at 25 and can only buy again if it breaks 25 going south
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mlennyma
#64 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 6:52:24 PM
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If eveready is making pple rich today surely every stock will have its day for the patient
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murchr
#65 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 7:43:26 PM
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kasibitta wrote:
@murch, @vvs @ aguy.....any current updates on BOC vs Carbacid.


I havent heard anything more about these two oflate but if you're asking if I'd buy any of the two, i would say at current market pricesCarbacid would be my choice and my reasons being.
1. The giant BIDCO is getting into the soft drinks market and Carbacid will be getting themselves a new customer for their compressed Co2. Mr Shah says in regulatory filings that Bidco Oil, the family firm he runs, has secured a piece of land off the Thika-Garissa highway on which it plans to build a production and bottling facility for non-carbonated still drinks, carbonated soft drinks and water.

2. More and more people in EA are getting into Green house farming hence pushing the demand for low grade carbon dioxide. (Esp Ethiopia)

I think the market has now properly valued the counter after the dilution that happened afew months ago. At the current price of 27.25/- and the EPS of 2.8 the PE is 9.7. Not bad.

For BOC they supply O2 to hospitals etc i really dont know much about the business but going by the books PBT declined by about 16%. Every one share ears 10.38 and it would take about 13.5 years to recoup your investment at the current market price of 140.00

Just my 2cents
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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VituVingiSana
#66 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 9:07:14 PM
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murchr wrote:
kasibitta wrote:
@murch, @vvs @ aguy.....any current updates on BOC vs Carbacid.


I havent heard anything more about these two oflate but if you're asking if I'd buy any of the two, i would say at current market pricesCarbacid would be my choice and my reasons being.
1. The giant BIDCO is getting into the soft drinks market and Carbacid will be getting themselves a new customer for their compressed Co2. Mr Shah says in regulatory filings that Bidco Oil, the family firm he runs, has secured a piece of land off the Thika-Garissa highway on which it plans to build a production and bottling facility for non-carbonated still drinks, carbonated soft drinks and water.

2. More and more people in EA are getting into Green house farming hence pushing the demand for low grade carbon dioxide. (Esp Ethiopia)

I think the market has now properly valued the counter after the dilution that happened afew months ago. At the current price of 27.25/- and the EPS of 2.8 the PE is 9.7. Not bad.

For BOC they supply O2 to hospitals etc i really dont know much about the business but going by the books PBT declined by about 16%. Every one share ears 10.38 and it would take about 13.5 years to recoup your investment at the current market price of 140.00

Just my 2cents

Q: If BIDCO's soft drinks plant takes off [& uses Carbacid's CO2] would that reduce Coke or Pepsi sales [if the market doesn't grow]?

BOC is a multi-product firm with sales of O2, N2, etc
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murchr
#67 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:17:06 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
murchr wrote:
kasibitta wrote:
@murch, @vvs @ aguy.....any current updates on BOC vs Carbacid.


I havent heard anything more about these two oflate but if you're asking if I'd buy any of the two, i would say at current market pricesCarbacid would be my choice and my reasons being.
1. The giant BIDCO is getting into the soft drinks market and Carbacid will be getting themselves a new customer for their compressed Co2. Mr Shah says in regulatory filings that Bidco Oil, the family firm he runs, has secured a piece of land off the Thika-Garissa highway on which it plans to build a production and bottling facility for non-carbonated still drinks, carbonated soft drinks and water.

2. More and more people in EA are getting into Green house farming hence pushing the demand for low grade carbon dioxide. (Esp Ethiopia)

I think the market has now properly valued the counter after the dilution that happened afew months ago. At the current price of 27.25/- and the EPS of 2.8 the PE is 9.7. Not bad.

For BOC they supply O2 to hospitals etc i really dont know much about the business but going by the books PBT declined by about 16%. Every one share ears 10.38 and it would take about 13.5 years to recoup your investment at the current market price of 140.00

Just my 2cents

Q: If BIDCO's soft drinks plant takes off [& uses Carbacid's CO2] would that reduce Coke or Pepsi sales [if the market doesn't grow]?

BOC is a multi-product firm with sales of O2, N2, etc


I dont think Vimal would get into the venture just to fight with the Giants Pepsi and Coke he must have seen the opportunity. I dont think he's after Coke and Pepsi's market share rather, the under served. He's not one to ignore.

I really dont know much of BOC market and products.

Just as an FYI CO2 is also used in oil and gas drilling. Not sure tho if Carbacid is selling any to prospectors
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Aguytrying
#68 Posted : Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:45:40 PM
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kasibitta wrote:
@murch, @vvs @ aguy.....any current updates on BOC vs Carbacid.


I like BOC coz its less overvalued. but not a deal breaker for carbacid, because it has a lower PE. Also carbacid has strong owner oriented management. And has more of the X factor than BOC.

Last year results were released on 22nd October for Carbacid, so it may be a good short term play as well.
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kasibitta
#69 Posted : Monday, October 13, 2014 10:44:03 AM
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@murch, @VVS, @aguy.....Mucha gracias...quite informed now.
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