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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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sasa alphadoti, kuja hapa tushauriane, if I was a ISIL fighter na ni pate binti yako ni bikra; bikra kabisa, halafu nimnajisi, utasema hayo ni mapenzi ya mwenyezi mti sibhana wataala(sp). kweli? naomba tushauriane kaka, kwa heshma na taadhima zote yakhe!! LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:
Hagar was not Abraham's wife.Sarah explained what she meant.
Hagar and Ishmael were cast away and lived in Paran not in Abraham's plot.
Isaac,the promised son and the child of sacrifice,was the only son Abraham had when God approached him for the test.
@symbol, why do you lie? Your Bible says the opposite: 1. Genesis 16:3 "and Sarah Abraham's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abraham to be his wife" 2. If you have two wives, and a problem comes up, and you take one wife to another land you own, does that make her stop being your wife? 3. When God tested Abraham in Chapter 22, the Bible says "the only son Isaac", yet there was another son Ishmael, why is that? 4. When God stopped him from sacrificing his son, Abraham and return to Beersheba! Remember who had been taken to Beersheba? Sarah or Hagar? Genesis 22:19 "So Abraham returned unto his young men, and they rose up and went together to Beersheba; and Abraham dwelt at Beersheba". Was Hagar in Barsheba or Sarah? 1.I've shown what Sarah meant. 2.Hagar wasn't called Abraham's wife and it's Hagar who despised her mistress after she got pregnant.Abraham confirmed Hagar was Sarah's servant. 3.Isaac,the promised son and the child of sacrifice,was the only son Abraham had when God approached him for the test. 4.Hagar and Ishmael wandered the wilderness of Beersheba but dwelt in the wilderness of Paran. Where is the lie in that? @symbols, your Bible says! Genesis 16:3 "And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife" Since you're not satisfied, let us consult your experts, Christian scholars, Bible scholars. Quote:John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible
Genesis 16
Verse 3
And Sarai, Abram's wife, took Hagar her maid, the Egyptian,.... Took her by the hand, it is probable, and led her into the apartment where Abram was, and presented her to him; their characters are very exactly described, and the contrast beautifully given, that the affair might be the more remarkable and observable:
after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan; so that he was now eighty five years of age, for he was sventy five when he departed from Haran and came into Canaan, Genesis 12:4; and Sarai, being ten years younger than he, must be sventy five; the Jews from hence have formed a rule or canon; that if a man marries a woman, and she has no children in ten years, he is obliged to marry another:
and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife; his secondary wife, or concubine; which, though contrary to the first institution of marriage, was connived at of God, and was practised by good men: nothing can excuse them but their earnest desire after the Messiah, the promised seed; and one may conclude, that nothing but this especially could move Sarai to take such a step, so contrary to the temper and disposition of women in common. Link www.studylight.org The Bible says a lot of things but you ignore the rest of what it says. I don't have experts.Just like I don't Bible revisers. Genesis 16:2-3 wrote:
2 And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the Lord hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai.
3 And Sarai Abram's wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelt ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife.
Sarah explained herself. @symbols are you saying there no Bible Scholars? So The Adam Clarke Commentary, The New John Gill Exposition, and Coffman Commentaries on Bible are all fake? So you don't care what Bible scholars, and you do not care what Bible says: Genesis 16:3 "And Sarai, Abram's wife, gave Hagar to her husband to be his wife" AlphDoti wrote:If you were an honest Christian and admit that you cannot consider a footnote as the Word of God. To be his wife - what does it mean? Genesis 16:4 wrote:And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived: and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her eyes. Where do it say she became his wife? The meaning is given before and afterwards. That is the funniest question I have seen this year 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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alphadoti mbona kimya kwa swali langu kaka? LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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After you finishing laughing and neglecting the question... symbols wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:
Yes, non-issue. You'll never find any contradiction in the Quran. You'll never find any fault with Muhammad (sallallahu alayhi wa sallam). You'll only find envy and false accusations towards him. Even Some of the famous contemporary personalities who read the biography of the Messenger say Muhammad was a great man. And you'll never find any Muslim accuse any prophet of God all the way from Adam to Noah to Moses to David to Jesus to Muhammad (peace upon them all). We love and respect them all. BUT WE DON'T WORSHIP ANY PF THEM.
It is only those who are ignorant who hate on Islam and the Messenger. They say small knowledge is very dangerous. And money and education makes one very arrogant and proud. That's why we have people like you who seek small non-issues while ignoring the big faults in their own beliefs.
Start here and this ISIS Lists Out 5 Islamic Reasons to Justify Beheading Alan Henning and other Captivesand this The Quran's Verses of Violence   You may cry out and say I'm quoting this out of context. Well, let us see what is being said here... 1. God is supposedly entraged by evil Babylonians who have enslaved his PREFERRED PEOPLE the ISRAELITES 2. God decree that those who smash up the children of the Babylonians would be doing God's will. Since you've started the diversions,I take it you agree with the video and accept Islam is false. Genesis 137:8-9 wrote:
7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did on the day Jerusalem fell.“Tear it down,” they cried,“tear it down to its foundations!”
8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,happy is the one who repays you according to what you have done to us.
9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
Sound familiar? ISIS Lists Out 5 Islamic Reasons to Justify Beheading Alan Henning and other CaptivesThe Quran's Verses of Violence Are you satisfied with Abraham issue? More distractions I am satisfied.It's you who avoided the issues and started the distractions the same way you are right now. I am waiting for you here.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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kyt wrote:kyt wrote:sasa alphadoti, kuja hapa tushauriane, if I was a ISIL fighter na ni pate binti yako ni bikra; bikra kabisa, halafu nimnajisi, utasema hayo ni mapenzi ya mwenyezi mti sibhana wataala(sp). kweli? naomba tushauriane kaka, kwa heshma na taadhima zote yakhe!! alphadoti mbona kimya kwa swali langu kaka? @kyt being ISIL fighter, how would you know that girl you plan to rape is virgin?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Kwani you people are only, just now realizing how perverted that guy is? He's a recruit into Islam because of the extra wives and promise of virgins. The amount of sexual innuendo his posts are laced with, are enough to make any sailor blush. I have a feeling he wants to mount his Wazua sister(s). As far as we've seen, pastors have been filling and dominating the news with sexual innuendos all over  Even people's wives are not spared. Contrary to what your Bible told you to take only the virgins as shown in Number 31:15-40 below. I believe sailors can blush if they discovered the Bible verse below? Numbers 31:15 - "have you kept all the women alive? Numbers 31:16 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Numbers 31:17 - And kill every woman who has known a man intimately. Numbers 31:18 - But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field.Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. Numbers 31:35 - And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man by lying with him Numbers 31:40 - and they saved 32 girls for the LordWhat does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin? I answered you here. symbols wrote:Yes they are your words. Numbers 31:18 wrote:But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:41 wrote:And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses. I am still waiting for you here. How does above answer: 1. Jewish soldiers in the field, they see a young girl, how did they verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? 2. What does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin (Numbers 31:35)? 1.It hasn't been specified but that didn't stop you from concluding it was through rape. 2.God commanded they be given to Eleazar the priest.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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AlphDoti wrote:kyt wrote:kyt wrote:sasa alphadoti, kuja hapa tushauriane, if I was a ISIL fighter na ni pate binti yako ni bikra; bikra kabisa, halafu nimnajisi, utasema hayo ni mapenzi ya mwenyezi mti sibhana wataala(sp). kweli? naomba tushauriane kaka, kwa heshma na taadhima zote yakhe!! alphadoti mbona kimya kwa swali langu kaka? @kyt being ISIL fighter, how would you know that girl you plan to rape is virgin? kaka mimi nimeuliza juu ya binti wako; si kidosho yoyote yule mlalahoi; nakisikia binti wako ni bikra ama sivyo kaka? swali nijibiwe, mie nangoja hapa; sitoki hata. LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Kwani you people are only, just now realizing how perverted that guy is? He's a recruit into Islam because of the extra wives and promise of virgins. The amount of sexual innuendo his posts are laced with, are enough to make any sailor blush. I have a feeling he wants to mount his Wazua sister(s). As far as we've seen, pastors have been filling and dominating the news with sexual innuendos all over Even people's wives are not spared. Contrary to what your Bible told you to take only the virgins as shown in Number 31:15-40 below. I believe sailors can blush if they discovered the Bible verse below? Numbers 31:15 - "have you kept all the women alive? Numbers 31:16 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Numbers 31:17 - And kill every woman who has known a man intimately. Numbers 31:18 - But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field.Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. Numbers 31:35 - And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man by lying with him Numbers 31:40 - and they saved 32 girls for the LordWhat does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin? I answered you here. symbols wrote:Yes they are your words. Numbers 31:18 wrote:But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:41 wrote:And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses. I am still waiting for you here. How does above answer: 1. Jewish soldiers in the field, they see a young girl, how did they verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? 2. What does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin (Numbers 31:35)? 1.It hasn't been specified but that didn't stop you from concluding it was through rape. 2.God commanded they be given to Eleazar the priest. 1. So it was not been specified how soldiers confirmed girls were virgins and yet you feel so much pain when I said they must have done what @swenani does to know if a woman is virgin or not? I guess they were not raped, the girls consented or they volunteered to the soldiers that "here, I'm virgin, please don't kill me", and sodiers just said "you! go there. You go there, you kill this one!" 2. What did Eleazar the priest do with the 32 girls? You're going to say this is not specified too? So that means @swenani just receive 32 virgin girls to cuddle them like kittens and tell them "don't be scared sweet girls, no one will harm you. Your mothers were murdered, your brothers and fathers were murdered just to bring you here where there is safety. You were just brought here to eat, sleep, and play "
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Kwani you people are only, just now realizing how perverted that guy is? He's a recruit into Islam because of the extra wives and promise of virgins. The amount of sexual innuendo his posts are laced with, are enough to make any sailor blush. I have a feeling he wants to mount his Wazua sister(s). As far as we've seen, pastors have been filling and dominating the news with sexual innuendos all over Even people's wives are not spared. Contrary to what your Bible told you to take only the virgins as shown in Number 31:15-40 below. I believe sailors can blush if they discovered the Bible verse below? Numbers 31:15 - "have you kept all the women alive? Numbers 31:16 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Numbers 31:17 - And kill every woman who has known a man intimately. Numbers 31:18 - But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field.Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. Numbers 31:35 - And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man by lying with him Numbers 31:40 - and they saved 32 girls for the LordWhat does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin? I answered you here. symbols wrote:Yes they are your words. Numbers 31:18 wrote:But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:41 wrote:And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses. I am still waiting for you here. How does above answer: 1. Jewish soldiers in the field, they see a young girl, how did they verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? 2. What does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin (Numbers 31:35)? 1.It hasn't been specified but that didn't stop you from concluding it was through rape. 2.God commanded they be given to Eleazar the priest. 1. So it was not been specified how soldiers confirmed girls were virgins and yet you feel so much pain when I said they must have done what @swenani does to know if a woman is virgin or not? I guess they were not raped, the girls consented or they volunteered to the soldiers that "here, I'm virgin, please don't kill me", and sodiers just said "you! go there. You go there, you kill this one!" 2. What did Eleazar the priest do with the 32 girls? You're going to say this is not specified too? So that means @swenani just receive 32 virgin girls to cuddle them like kittens and tell them "don't be scared sweet girls, no one will harm you. Your mothers were murdered, your brothers and fathers were murdered just to bring you here where there is safety. You were just brought here to eat, sleep, and play " You do realize you are laughing at the conclusion you arrived at concerning the alleged rape of young girls.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:symbols wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:Kwani you people are only, just now realizing how perverted that guy is? He's a recruit into Islam because of the extra wives and promise of virgins. The amount of sexual innuendo his posts are laced with, are enough to make any sailor blush. I have a feeling he wants to mount his Wazua sister(s). As far as we've seen, pastors have been filling and dominating the news with sexual innuendos all over Even people's wives are not spared. Contrary to what your Bible told you to take only the virgins as shown in Number 31:15-40 below. I believe sailors can blush if they discovered the Bible verse below? Numbers 31:15 - "have you kept all the women alive? Numbers 31:16 - Now therefore kill every male among the little ones. Numbers 31:17 - And kill every woman who has known a man intimately. Numbers 31:18 - But keep alive for yourselves all the young girls who have not known a man intimately. This is the instruction given to Jewish soldiers in the field.Now when they see a young Palestinian girl, how can you verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? The soldier in the field. Numbers 31:35 - And they saved for themselves 32,000 girls, who had not known a man by lying with him Numbers 31:40 - and they saved 32 girls for the LordWhat does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin? I answered you here. symbols wrote:Yes they are your words. Numbers 31:18 wrote:But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Numbers 31:41 wrote:And Moses gave the tribute, which was the Lord's heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the Lord commanded Moses. I am still waiting for you here. How does above answer: 1. Jewish soldiers in the field, they see a young girl, how did they verify whether this woman has experienced sex or not? How do you verify? 2. What does the Lord do with 32 girls who have been confirmed to be virgin (Numbers 31:35)? 1.It hasn't been specified but that didn't stop you from concluding it was through rape. 2.God commanded they be given to Eleazar the priest. 1. So it was not been specified how soldiers confirmed girls were virgins and yet you feel so much pain when I said they must have done what @swenani does to know if a woman is virgin or not? I guess they were not raped, the girls consented or they volunteered to the soldiers that "here, I'm virgin, please don't kill me", and sodiers just said "you! go there. You go there, you kill this one!" 2. What did Eleazar the priest do with the 32 girls? You're going to say this is not specified too? So that means @swenani just receive 32 virgin girls to cuddle them like kittens and tell them "don't be scared sweet girls, no one will harm you. Your mothers were murdered, your brothers and fathers were murdered just to bring you here where there is safety. You were just brought here to eat, sleep, and play " You do realize you are laughing at the conclusion you arrived at concerning the alleged rape of young girls. Please give us explanation. Give us conclusion. Otherwise, your guess will be as good as mine. But if yours is better, then let us know. You sent soldiers to kill women who have been touched by a man, kill men and boys, kill young girls, but keep for yourself those girls who have not been touched by a man. How do you know she has not been touched by a man? Then you bring 32 of them to the Lord, who in turn hands over to the priest. What does the priest do with the 32 girls who have been 'confirmed' virgin (how were they confirmed in the first place)?
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