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House on sale with a lease-back option
FRM2011
#1 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 7:58:23 AM
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A 3-bedroomed master ensuite bungalow 150m from magadi road in ongata rongai. A walking distance from Tuskys. Has a perimeter wall, cabro-paved driveway and parking, a barbeque garden with mature trees, in-built wardrobes and kitchen cabinets.

Asking price kes.7.5m negotiable.

The owner loves the place and would wish to continue living there as a tenant. He is preferring to sell to an investor from whom he can lease it back. However, he can still move out if he gets a good deal.

To sweeten the deal, the new buyer can deduct one year's rent from the purchase price. Rent in the neighbourhood is kes.35k per month.

Can share more details on e-mail with anyone who might be interested.
Grip
#2 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 12:36:12 PM
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Send me your contact details at johnmburu@my.com
sparkly
#3 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 1:01:46 PM
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Owner sounds very attached. Will he and mama watoto agree to be evicted if they default ama it will be drama.
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FRM2011
#4 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 2:06:07 PM
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Grip wrote:
Send me your contact details at johnmburu@my.com


@grip, check your email inbox.
FRM2011
#5 Posted : Friday, September 19, 2014 2:10:31 PM
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sparkly wrote:
Owner sounds very attached. Will he and mama watoto agree to be evicted if they default ama it will be drama.


@sparkly, he is a very organised chap. He has been building another house elsewhere and I suspect the chums have ran out.
Pablo
#6 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2014 5:42:37 PM
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Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.
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#7 Posted : Monday, September 22, 2014 7:34:10 PM
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Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.

Show me any real estate worth 7.5m that can fetch a rent of 35k.
B.Timer
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:12:32 AM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.

Show me any real estate worth 7.5m that can fetch a rent of 35k.


All other factors constant, this looks to me as a good deal.
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Bigchick
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:07:03 PM
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B.Timer wrote:
Gordon Gekko wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.

Show me any real estate worth 7.5m that can fetch a rent of 35k.


All other factors constant, this looks to me as a good deal.



At the risk of hijacking this thread, please comment on a one bedroomed apartment within Kasarani area going for 3.2M and has an income of 15000.

Do you think this is a good investment.
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FRM2011
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:20:02 AM
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Pole wazuans. I forgot to close the thread.

The house was sold through a broker @6.8m paid as follows.

4m cash, 2m exchanged with a plot and 2 years rent paid in advance.

Funny thing about broker transactions. Since he was to sell the house and had also been retained to sell the plot by the buyer, he walked away with a cool 350k.

Poor Frm2011, I thought I could sell the house through wazua. Shock on me.
FRM2011
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:26:16 AM
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Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.


@Pablo, that's Kenyan real estate for you. Consider this;

1. South B cost-16m rent 50k roi-3.7%
2. Lavington cost-20m rent 100k roi - 6%
3. Mombasa road cost-10m rent 40k roi- 4.8%
4. Ngummo cost-14m rent-45k roi 3.8%.
Pablo
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 3:34:24 PM
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In terms of ROI those are horrible deals.

With 7.5M Id rather buy an 1/8th in Ngong for 2M and do 5 2br units which can rent for 12k - 15k.

Total Area = 300SqM @18,000 per SqM and have 200SqM for Parking.

ROI Just below 10%

QED!
Horton
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:06:43 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.


@Pablo, that's Kenyan real estate for you. Consider this;

1. South B cost-16m rent 50k roi-3.7%
2. Lavington cost-20m rent 100k roi - 6%
3. Mombasa road cost-10m rent 40k roi- 4.8%
4. Ngummo cost-14m rent-45k roi 3.8%.


Agreed 5% yield on rent is very good. However, you seem to forget that there is also capital growth. Property price appreciation in Kenya has been stellar since year 2000.

If you did get a mortgage at 12% add miscellaneous 2% for repairs, letting fees etc giving us a total of 14% expenses.

Rental yield of 5% and add a conservative 20% increase yoy of price escalation of your property which give us a total of 25% (very conservatively) and you get a net effect of +11% net.

This 11% net of all costs is very conservative and from what I have seen, it's usually much higher. Granted, the effect of the mortgage, just like any other loan can take a toll.

Horton
#14 Posted : Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:17:51 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.

Show me any real estate worth 7.5m that can fetch a rent of 35k.



Nyayo estate embakasi
MaichBlack
#15 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:42:38 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.


@Pablo, that's Kenyan real estate for you. Consider this;

1. South B cost-16m rent 50k roi-3.7%
2. Lavington cost-20m rent 100k roi - 6%
3. Mombasa road cost-10m rent 40k roi- 4.8%
4. Ngummo cost-14m rent-45k roi 3.8%.

That's what's wrong with the Kenya real estate industry. Buyers being shafted right left and center. And this is for cash buyers. Factor in mortgage and you have negative ROI. Like for the south B house above, your ROI will be approximately -8%. Yes, NEGATIVE EIGHT PERCENT. You have to be high on wet bhang soaked in petrol to even consider some things!!!

For me, real estate investment is a no brainer. NO MORTGAGE, NO BUYING!!! Raise money and build! Then you can make money.

At the very least, developers sell houses at double the total cost put in. Then mortgage will at least triple that value! 6 times a slave. 30 years a slave.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MKWASI
#16 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:49:11 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Thats a horible deal.

Someone invests, 7.5M and gets 35k rent. An ROI is 5%, Aiiii

If you get a 12% morgage to buy that house payable in 15 years the repayment is almost 90k per month.


@Pablo, that's Kenyan real estate for you. Consider this;

1. South B cost-16m rent 50k roi-3.7%
2. Lavington cost-20m rent 100k roi - 6%
3. Mombasa road cost-10m rent 40k roi- 4.8%
4. Ngummo cost-14m rent-45k roi 3.8%.

That's what's wrong with the Kenya real estate industry. Buyers being shafted right left and center. And this is for cash buyers. Fact in mortgage and you have negative ROI. Like for the south B house above, you ROI will be approximately -8%. Yes, NEGATIVE EIGHT PERCENT. You have to be high on wet bhang soaked in petrol to even consider some things!!!

For me, real estate investment is a no brainer. NO MORTGAGE, NO BUYING!!! Raise money and build! Then you can make money.

At the very least, developers sell house at double the total cost put in. Then mortgage will at least triple that value! 6 times a slave. 30 years a slave.


Capital appreciation of the property, is it included in your calculation of ROI?
MaichBlack
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:56:40 AM
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Why buy a house and make 5% ROI???

If you dream is to eventually own a house in that area, simply buy a plot in the same neighbourhood and put the rest of the money in a better yielding investment. For crying out loud, even a bank will give you double that ROI on fixed deposit account!!! And there are much more lucrative investments than fixed deposit any how!
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#18 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:58:18 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Owner sounds very attached. Will he and mama watoto agree to be evicted if they default ama it will be drama.


@sparkly, he is a very organised chap. He has been building another house elsewhere and I suspect the chums have ran out.


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In the same paragraph???
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#19 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:06:20 AM
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sparkly wrote:
Owner sounds very attached. Will he and mama watoto agree to be evicted if they default ama it will be drama.

Or worse, you find out the house is still his. You were played big time!!! Or he sells it again. And again. And again. And again....

This is Kenya!!! Remember???
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
FRM2011
#20 Posted : Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:28:10 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Why buy a house and make 5% ROI???

If you dream is to eventually own a house in that area, simply buy a plot in the same neighbourhood and put the rest of the money in a better yielding investment. For crying out loud, even a bank will give you double that ROI on fixed deposit account!!! And there are much more lucrative investments than fixed deposit any how!


Weeee Maich mweusi, I thought we had a deal you stop kuharibu soko in the other thread.

The house was sold by a broker who made a cool 350k in less than a week. I had advertised it here but didn't make much progress.

Lesson learnt, wazua is full of arm-chair analysts while deals are being made everyday out there.

If everyone was to start analysing property decisions the way you do, what do you think would happen to our holdings in HF, Equity and KCB ?

Luckily for us, buying decisions are 80% emotions and 20% logic. We are still in business.
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