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Muriel
#121 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:29:33 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
Muriel, I've spent so much time today thinking about the archbishop of Canterbury in the context of my own spiritual experience. While searching my mind and spirit, his words came over and over.

And as the day closed it dawned on me that till the moment, I had a dearth of pure thought. 'What's a pure thought?' I wondered. After some reflection I saw that a pure thought is one that is totally selfless, and loving. A kind of thought that involves transcending day to day relationships and reality. A kind of thought that's of 'God'. Thoughts of the true Self.

It's interesting that though no man has seen God with his physical eye, seeing the true Self with the spiritual eye one can see 'God' so clearly.

'Indwelling' was the word that came to my head upon these thoughts. And thus was the archbishop's puzzle resolved. He was thinking about the mystical using religious symbols and his socio-political role. He wasn't having the thoughts of the true Self. He was careful and experiencing things around his social status and context. And his context is full of doubt.


Sorry brother, I was engaged elsewhere.

Pure thought has no trace of self. I still do not understand how there then be a 'true self'. I also still do not understand how there can be 'spiritual life'. Does it have emotions, senses, thoughts?

Hence I also think the archbishop is no archbishop in more ways than this one of 'doubts'.

Also, as far as I can tell, I have not noticed another me, the spiritual me, I am just one indivisible entity. One body, one mind, one thought, one feeling, one emotions. One Soul.
AlphDoti
#122 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:43:04 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti

With me you will stay in the quran. I will afford you no diversions.

If the teaching that allah can ransom someone is unislamic then who put that particular teaching in the quran that Allah 'ransomed' someone?

At least that is an easy question that you can answer. Can you answer it?

@muriel you are now going round in cycles.

Post #104 I already told "who". Those words were said by God Almighty.

Post #106 All the answers since you asked this question are there. Print them and read.

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #114 I have told you many times that this idea of atonement, just drop it, it is not Islamic teaching. It is the most none-sensible idea in the world!

Post #115 There is no atonement. No one dies for your sins. You carry your own sins. And you get your own rewards from good work.
Muriel
#123 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:32:25 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti

With me you will stay in the quran. I will afford you no diversions.

If the teaching that allah can ransom someone is unislamic then who put that particular teaching in the quran that Allah 'ransomed' someone?

At least that is an easy question that you can answer. Can you answer it?

@muriel you are now going round in cycles.

Post #104 I already told "who". Those words were said by God Almighty.

Post #106 All the answers since you asked this question are there. Print them and read.

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #114 I have told you many times that this idea of atonement, just drop it, it is not Islamic teaching. It is the most none-sensible idea in the world!

Post #115 There is no atonement. No one dies for your sins. You carry your own sins. And you get your own rewards from good work.

Quote:

And we ransomed him with a great sacrifice


If they were said by Allah, do you believe it that Allah can ransom someone?
AlphDoti
#124 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:50:38 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti

With me you will stay in the quran. I will afford you no diversions.

If the teaching that allah can ransom someone is unislamic then who put that particular teaching in the quran that Allah 'ransomed' someone?

At least that is an easy question that you can answer. Can you answer it?

@muriel you are now going round in cycles.

Post #104 I already told "who". Those words were said by God Almighty.

Post #106 All the answers since you asked this question are there. Print them and read.

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #114 I have told you many times that this idea of atonement, just drop it, it is not Islamic teaching. It is the most none-sensible idea in the world!

Post #115 There is no atonement. No one dies for your sins. You carry your own sins. And you get your own rewards from good work.

Quote:

And we ransomed him with a great sacrifice


If they were said by Allah, do you believe it that Allah can ransom someone?

@muriel, your question is constructed wrongly. Just like the brain teaser of the sh50+sh50=sh100 borrowed from two individuals...

I already responded to this. Nobody was to be forgiven by the sacrifice of a son. This was just a test, it was a trial, by Almighty God to Abraham (pbuh). That's why Allah said "thou hast already fulfilled thy vision". This was not to kill anyone. This was not to wipe anybody's sins. It was just testing Abraham's willingness to the work of Allah (Almighty God).

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #711

Post #776
Muriel
#125 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:02:08 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti

With me you will stay in the quran. I will afford you no diversions.

If the teaching that allah can ransom someone is unislamic then who put that particular teaching in the quran that Allah 'ransomed' someone?

At least that is an easy question that you can answer. Can you answer it?

@muriel you are now going round in cycles.

Post #104 I already told "who". Those words were said by God Almighty.

Post #106 All the answers since you asked this question are there. Print them and read.

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #114 I have told you many times that this idea of atonement, just drop it, it is not Islamic teaching. It is the most none-sensible idea in the world!

Post #115 There is no atonement. No one dies for your sins. You carry your own sins. And you get your own rewards from good work.

Quote:

And we ransomed him with a great sacrifice


If they were said by Allah, do you believe it that Allah can ransom someone?

@muriel, your question is constructed wrongly. Just like the brain teaser of the sh50+sh50=sh100 borrowed from two individuals...

I already responded to this. Nobody was to be forgiven by the sacrifice of a son. This was just a test, it was a trial, by Almighty God to Abraham (pbuh). That's why Allah said "thou hast already fulfilled thy vision". This was not to kill anyone. This was not to wipe anybody's sins. It was just testing Abraham's willingness to the work of Allah (Almighty God).

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #711

Post #776



Bla bla bla kupiga tu domo.

You have not responded to anything.

So what if nobody was to be forgiven?
So what if it was just a test?
So what if it was a trial?
So what no one was to be killed?
So what if it was not to wipe anybody's sins?
So what if it was testing Abraham's willingness?

Allah speaks in the past tense as in he has already done the deed of ransoming. - "We ransomed him".

My questions are - do you believe that Allah 'ransomed' the boy? Consequently, do you believe Allah can 'ransom' anyone?
AlphDoti
#126 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:06:23 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti

With me you will stay in the quran. I will afford you no diversions.

If the teaching that allah can ransom someone is unislamic then who put that particular teaching in the quran that Allah 'ransomed' someone?

At least that is an easy question that you can answer. Can you answer it?

@muriel you are now going round in cycles.

Post #104 I already told "who". Those words were said by God Almighty.

Post #106 All the answers since you asked this question are there. Print them and read.

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #114 I have told you many times that this idea of atonement, just drop it, it is not Islamic teaching. It is the most none-sensible idea in the world!

Post #115 There is no atonement. No one dies for your sins. You carry your own sins. And you get your own rewards from good work.

Quote:

And we ransomed him with a great sacrifice


If they were said by Allah, do you believe it that Allah can ransom someone?

@muriel, your question is constructed wrongly. Just like the brain teaser of the sh50+sh50=sh100 borrowed from two individuals...

I already responded to this. Nobody was to be forgiven by the sacrifice of a son. This was just a test, it was a trial, by Almighty God to Abraham (pbuh). That's why Allah said "thou hast already fulfilled thy vision". This was not to kill anyone. This was not to wipe anybody's sins. It was just testing Abraham's willingness to the work of Allah (Almighty God).

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #711

Post #776



Bla bla bla kupiga tu domo.

You have not responded to anything.

So what if nobody was to be forgiven?
So what if it was just a test?
So what if it was a trial?
So what no one was to be killed?
So what if it was not to wipe anybody's sins?
So what if it was testing Abraham's willingness?

Allah speaks in the past tense as in he has already done the deed of ransoming. - "We ransomed him".

My questions are - do you believe that Allah 'ransomed' the boy? Consequently, do you believe Allah can 'ransom' anyone?

SO what is the difference between this question and what you asked before that?

You have a deeper problem. There is no atonement my brother. That was the idea of Roman Empire, led by Constantine the Great in the year 325, during the Nicea Council.

NO PROPHET OF GOD TAUGHT THAT IDEA.
JESUS (pbuh) NEVER TAUGHT THAT IDEA.

GOOGLE: "Nicea Council" and see if the answer there is different from mine. Because you don't believe me.
tycho
#127 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:13:42 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel, I've spent so much time today thinking about the archbishop of Canterbury in the context of my own spiritual experience. While searching my mind and spirit, his words came over and over.

And as the day closed it dawned on me that till the moment, I had a dearth of pure thought. 'What's a pure thought?' I wondered. After some reflection I saw that a pure thought is one that is totally selfless, and loving. A kind of thought that involves transcending day to day relationships and reality. A kind of thought that's of 'God'. Thoughts of the true Self.

It's interesting that though no man has seen God with his physical eye, seeing the true Self with the spiritual eye one can see 'God' so clearly.

'Indwelling' was the word that came to my head upon these thoughts. And thus was the archbishop's puzzle resolved. He was thinking about the mystical using religious symbols and his socio-political role. He wasn't having the thoughts of the true Self. He was careful and experiencing things around his social status and context. And his context is full of doubt.


Sorry brother, I was engaged elsewhere.

Pure thought has no trace of self. I still do not understand how there then be a 'true self'. I also still do not understand how there can be 'spiritual life'. Does it have emotions, senses, thoughts?

Hence I also think the archbishop is no archbishop in more ways than this one of 'doubts'.

Also, as far as I can tell, I have not noticed another me, the spiritual me, I am just one indivisible entity. One body, one mind, one thought, one feeling, one emotions. One Soul.


Which body do you have?
Muriel
#128 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:14:42 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Alphdoti

With me you will stay in the quran. I will afford you no diversions.

If the teaching that allah can ransom someone is unislamic then who put that particular teaching in the quran that Allah 'ransomed' someone?

At least that is an easy question that you can answer. Can you answer it?

@muriel you are now going round in cycles.

Post #104 I already told "who". Those words were said by God Almighty.

Post #106 All the answers since you asked this question are there. Print them and read.

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #114 I have told you many times that this idea of atonement, just drop it, it is not Islamic teaching. It is the most none-sensible idea in the world!

Post #115 There is no atonement. No one dies for your sins. You carry your own sins. And you get your own rewards from good work.

Quote:

And we ransomed him with a great sacrifice


If they were said by Allah, do you believe it that Allah can ransom someone?

@muriel, your question is constructed wrongly. Just like the brain teaser of the sh50+sh50=sh100 borrowed from two individuals...

I already responded to this. Nobody was to be forgiven by the sacrifice of a son. This was just a test, it was a trial, by Almighty God to Abraham (pbuh). That's why Allah said "thou hast already fulfilled thy vision". This was not to kill anyone. This was not to wipe anybody's sins. It was just testing Abraham's willingness to the work of Allah (Almighty God).

Post #109 Ransom means substitute

Post #711

Post #776



Bla bla bla kupiga tu domo.

You have not responded to anything.

So what if nobody was to be forgiven?
So what if it was just a test?
So what if it was a trial?
So what no one was to be killed?
So what if it was not to wipe anybody's sins?
So what if it was testing Abraham's willingness?

Allah speaks in the past tense as in he has already done the deed of ransoming. - "We ransomed him".

My questions are - do you believe that Allah 'ransomed' the boy? Consequently, do you believe Allah can 'ransom' anyone?

SO what is the difference between this question and what you asked before that?

You have a deeper problem. There is no atonement my brother. That was the idea of Roman Empire, led by Constantine the Great in the year 325, during the Nicea Council.

NO PROPHET OF GOD TAUGHT THAT IDEA.
JESUS (pbuh) NEVER TAUGHT THAT IDEA.

GOOGLE: "Nicea Council" and see if the answer there is different from mine. Because you don't believe me.


You will stay in the Qur'an! You muslim!

There is no difference in my questions. They are the same question! One question!

So Allah did not ransom the boy - despite the verse 37:107 We ransomed him with a great sacrifice - yet Allah according to you said those very words.

Allah has schizophrenia?
Muriel
#129 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:44:12 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel, I've spent so much time today thinking about the archbishop of Canterbury in the context of my own spiritual experience. While searching my mind and spirit, his words came over and over.

And as the day closed it dawned on me that till the moment, I had a dearth of pure thought. 'What's a pure thought?' I wondered. After some reflection I saw that a pure thought is one that is totally selfless, and loving. A kind of thought that involves transcending day to day relationships and reality. A kind of thought that's of 'God'. Thoughts of the true Self.

It's interesting that though no man has seen God with his physical eye, seeing the true Self with the spiritual eye one can see 'God' so clearly.

'Indwelling' was the word that came to my head upon these thoughts. And thus was the archbishop's puzzle resolved. He was thinking about the mystical using religious symbols and his socio-political role. He wasn't having the thoughts of the true Self. He was careful and experiencing things around his social status and context. And his context is full of doubt.


Sorry brother, I was engaged elsewhere.

Pure thought has no trace of self. I still do not understand how there then be a 'true self'. I also still do not understand how there can be 'spiritual life'. Does it have emotions, senses, thoughts?

Hence I also think the archbishop is no archbishop in more ways than this one of 'doubts'.

Also, as far as I can tell, I have not noticed another me, the spiritual me, I am just one indivisible entity. One body, one mind, one thought, one feeling, one emotions. One Soul.


Which body do you have?


I do not understand. Which body? Are you implying 'body' has options?
tycho
#130 Posted : Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:58:36 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel, I've spent so much time today thinking about the archbishop of Canterbury in the context of my own spiritual experience. While searching my mind and spirit, his words came over and over.

And as the day closed it dawned on me that till the moment, I had a dearth of pure thought. 'What's a pure thought?' I wondered. After some reflection I saw that a pure thought is one that is totally selfless, and loving. A kind of thought that involves transcending day to day relationships and reality. A kind of thought that's of 'God'. Thoughts of the true Self.

It's interesting that though no man has seen God with his physical eye, seeing the true Self with the spiritual eye one can see 'God' so clearly.

'Indwelling' was the word that came to my head upon these thoughts. And thus was the archbishop's puzzle resolved. He was thinking about the mystical using religious symbols and his socio-political role. He wasn't having the thoughts of the true Self. He was careful and experiencing things around his social status and context. And his context is full of doubt.


Sorry brother, I was engaged elsewhere.

Pure thought has no trace of self. I still do not understand how there then be a 'true self'. I also still do not understand how there can be 'spiritual life'. Does it have emotions, senses, thoughts?

Hence I also think the archbishop is no archbishop in more ways than this one of 'doubts'.

Also, as far as I can tell, I have not noticed another me, the spiritual me, I am just one indivisible entity. One body, one mind, one thought, one feeling, one emotions. One Soul.


Which body do you have?


I do not understand. Which body? Are you implying 'body' has options?


Are you saying there's only one body?
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