An interesting point to reflect. Whatever answer you get, what does it change? What does it prove? The answers you construct for yourself are the answers that will satisfy.

Suddenly one is so alone, so isolated, a speck of dust in a vastly spread cosmos. And in alienation is the silence of God. No question is answerable. Which speck can answer what? No speck. A mystery of love.

You must be blessed. Wengine maswali tumejaza ya kujiuliza http://www.theguardian.c...ubt-god-existence-welby

And I wonder, is there something strange about wondering whether God exists and affirming that Christ exists in the same breath?

Quote:

37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice.

- The theme text.

We have seen that 'Ransom' has the idea of Exchange. Saving. Salvation.



Alphdoti initially denied that Allah said he 'Ransomed' after finding out 'ransom' has the idea of 'saving'. Guru punctured his wheel by confirming indeed Allah 'saved' the boy. Guru, thank you so much yet again.

I could not have drilled it into Alphdoti's head without you.

Alphdoti now turns around and then says



Alphdoti is now of the opinion that 'Ransom with great sacrifice', or 'saved', are the actual words of Allah.

Surprise!!!!!

Allah has said he 'saves'. He 'ransoms'.

Have you accepted Allah's 'Salvation'?

Alphdoti?

Alphdoti,

Who but yourself has talked about 'forgiveness of sins'? Why are you adding to the debate?

We are talking about 'saving', 'saved' 'salvation'.

Is there something I should know about 'saving' 'saved' and its connection to 'forgiveness of sins'?

Guru, despite her useful contribution to this debate, is not the reference point. The Qur'an is the reference point. So far you have made no attempt to explain this theme verse e.g. by saying when Allah said 'we ransomed him,,,,' he did not mean it is 'ransomed' as described in the dictionary but he meant it anther way bla bla bla.

Stick to the Qur'an, you muslim man! Why are you afraid of it? That is my problem. You make no reference to Qur'an (maybe you now see Mohammed told some fibs) and you want to explain away using only your mouth.

Allah 'ransoms' people this is the bitter truth you cannot bring yourself to admit. He 'ransomed' the boy. He 'saved' the boy. Allah has 'salvation'.

Your linking 'ransom' or 'saved' to 'forgiveness of sins' is intriguing. Why have you linked 'ransom' to 'forgiveness of sins'?

Ransom means substitute. Almighty God wanted to test the two men (Abraham and his sons), with self-sacrifice in the service of Allah. When they obeyed the test, God Almighty stopped Abraham from that and substituted for ram.

You see @muriel, there is no atonement of sin in Islam. The hereditary thing you're trying to justify, this alleged inherited from Adam. The Church says this thing, which you and I were not personally responsible was to be atoned for. And they say the Creator of this Universe had to sacrifice His only begotten son (which has been expunged from the Bible by the way ) to neutralize this mysterious curse. I told you about the British man, Major Yeats Brown who said no heathen tribe has ever conceived such a nonsensical idea. But you are trying to tell us that. I say look my brother @muriel, don't try to pull wool over our eyes.

Think man, think!