An interesting point to reflect. Whatever answer you get, what does it change? What does it prove? The answers you construct for yourself are the answers that will satisfy.

Suddenly one is so alone, so isolated, a speck of dust in a vastly spread cosmos. And in alienation is the silence of God. No question is answerable. Which speck can answer what? No speck. A mystery of love.

You must be blessed. Wengine maswali tumejaza ya kujiuliza http://www.theguardian.c...ubt-god-existence-welby

And I wonder, is there something strange about wondering whether God exists and affirming that Christ exists in the same breath?

Quote:

37:107 And We ransomed him with a great sacrifice.

- The theme text.

We have seen that 'Ransom' has the idea of Exchange. Saving. Salvation.



Alphdoti initially denied that Allah said he 'Ransomed' after finding out 'ransom' has the idea of 'saving'. Guru punctured his wheel by confirming indeed Allah 'saved' the boy. Guru, thank you so much yet again.

I could not have drilled it into Alphdoti's head without you.

Alphdoti now turns around and then says



Alphdoti is now of the opinion that 'Ransom with great sacrifice', or 'saved', are the actual words of Allah.

Surprise!!!!!

Allah has said he 'saves'. He 'ransoms'.

Have you accepted Allah's 'Salvation'?

Alphdoti?

Alphdoti,

Who but yourself has talked about 'forgiveness of sins'? Why are you adding to the debate?

We are talking about 'saving', 'saved' 'salvation'.

Is there something I should know about 'saving' 'saved' and its connection to 'forgiveness of sins'?

Guru, despite her useful contribution to this debate, is not the reference point. The Qur'an is the reference point. So far you have made no attempt to explain this theme verse e.g. by saying when Allah said 'we ransomed him,,,,' he did not mean it is 'ransomed' as described in the dictionary but he meant it anther way bla bla bla.

Stick to the Qur'an, you muslim man! Why are you afraid of it? That is my problem. You make no reference to Qur'an (maybe you now see Mohammed told some fibs) and you want to explain away using only your mouth.

Allah 'ransoms' people this is the bitter truth you cannot bring yourself to admit. He 'ransomed' the boy. He 'saved' the boy. Allah has 'salvation'.

Your linking 'ransom' or 'saved' to 'forgiveness of sins' is intriguing. Why have you linked 'ransom' to 'forgiveness of sins'?

Ransom means substitute. Almighty God wanted to test the two men (Abraham and his sons), with self-sacrifice in the service of Allah. When they obeyed the test, God Almighty stopped Abraham from that and substituted for ram.

You see @muriel, there is no atonement of sin in Islam. The hereditary thing you're trying to justify, this alleged inherited from Adam. The Church says this thing, which you and I were not personally responsible was to be atoned for. And they say the Creator of this Universe had to sacrifice His only begotten son (which has been expunged from the Bible by the way ) to neutralize this mysterious curse. I told you about the British man, Major Yeats Brown who said no heathen tribe has ever conceived such a nonsensical idea. But you are trying to tell us that. I say look my brother @muriel, don't try to pull wool over our eyes.

Think man, think!

@Alph Jesus was never on the cross.. Those words were said by Judas Isacriot who God put in the place of Jesus for death after he trying to betray God's messenger!

Unlike you, there are myriad additional text that can be referred to when talking about that point.

Nukuu moja umeshindwa nayo lakini umeona ni jambo la busara kabisa kurukia hoja langu na Ndugu as if umeulizwa swali kulihusu.

Mnafiki!!!!!

@muriel, you say:
1. Jesus (pbuh) died on the cross to pay for your sins
2. You say this is the idea of atonement of sin
3. You say people are born with sin

Don't you know the verses talking about this idea have now been expunged from your Bible?

You see it is the most nonsensical idea on earth. Adam and eve sinning, and you're going to go to hell for that. And the way out is that, the same God now, He knows there is no way, no way He can change these people. So He must come down to earth, go into a woman's womb and live there for 9 months, born like any other human child. With all the blood and the marks and the umbilical code, which made his mother impure for 40 days says the Bible. Circumcised on the 8th day. Living like any other human being, drinking milk from his mothers breast, wetting his napkins, eating food, having a call of nature, and beaten and chased around. Your Almighty God of this universe, He took that role and He died for you at the age of 33...

Please brother what is this? Where did you get these stuff from? Give us an opportunity, it is about time the Muslims took it up. That this most nonsensical idea on earth are getting converts?

Let me read you Quran, Sura Iklas chapter 112:1-4 called The Purity of Faith.
In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.

@symbol, the verse John 3:16, used when preaching to justify atonement "the only BEGOTTEN!" has now been unceremoniously expunged from the Bible by your Bible revisers as a fabrication. And they didn't tell you of course!

If you can lay your hand on the RSV 1952, and compare with newer version. If you were an honest Christian and admit that you cannot consider a footnote as the Word of God.

You will be surprised also to realize that Mark chapter 16 ends on verse 8. Now the Bibles put a foot at the bottom of the page as

Muriel, I've spent so much time today thinking about the archbishop of Canterbury in the context of my own spiritual experience. While searching my mind and spirit, his words came over and over.

And as the day closed it dawned on me that till the moment, I had a dearth of pure thought. 'What's a pure thought?' I wondered. After some reflection I saw that a pure thought is one that is totally selfless, and loving. A kind of thought that involves transcending day to day relationships and reality. A kind of thought that's of 'God'. Thoughts of the true Self.

It's interesting that though no man has seen God with his physical eye, seeing the true Self with the spiritual eye one can see 'God' so clearly.

'Indwelling' was the word that came to my head upon these thoughts. And thus was the archbishop's puzzle resolved. He was thinking about the mystical using religious symbols and his socio-political role. He wasn't having the thoughts of the true Self. He was careful and experiencing things around his social status and context. And his context is full of doubt.