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Rusinga school vs Dreadlocks
ecstacy
#21 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 6:05:16 PM
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What is un-Christian about dreadlocks??
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:50:21 PM
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kysse wrote:
shuu!! some parents need to chill. Homeschool and save school the dramaz.


this parent has a lot of time and money but Rusinga need to make sure they are not shikwad on discrimination.....
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#23 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 7:57:21 PM
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tycho
#24 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:00:48 PM
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Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.
Swenani
#25 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:05:05 PM
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tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.


Is it the people to shape up or the institution?
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#26 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 8:20:17 PM
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Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.


Is it the people to shape up or the institution?


'The people' are already changing, they are the market. Service providers and other institutions are not adjusting to meet this demand.
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#27 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:31:52 PM
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washiku wrote:
Now suppose she wins the case. The boy is allowed back. And then?


The next thing is the boy will come to school with msokoto ya ganja halafu aseme ni ya marasta.
Swenani
#28 Posted : Tuesday, September 16, 2014 9:35:02 PM
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tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.


Is it the people to shape up or the institution?


'The people' are already changing, they are the market. Service providers and other institutions are not adjusting to meet this demand.


but....but.....Behind the institution and service providers we have "people"

Therefore going by your argument,since "people" are already changing then the institutions are also already changing
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
maka
#29 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:05:56 AM
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Dreadlocks do not equate freedoms...unless they prove factual constitutional breaches e.g religion...where the child was denied the right to practise Rastafarism and even so being Rasta does not equate to having locks since many Rasta,s don,t have locks.The child cannot be beholden to the Nazarite vow since the parents are not practising Jews...like Samson et al...with that the mum should just give up.
possunt quia posse videntur
quicksand
#30 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:38:52 AM
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tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.

Ever been to Strathmore? Jeans,tshirts and hemlines above the knees are not allowed last time I checked. Hizo unavaa huko nje, but when reporting for classes you don't. Some companies also enforce such rules, PWC comes to mind. If you wear dreadlocks and want to work there, you cut them, otherwise you apply to Google or ScanAd where they dont care about hairstyle.
I believe a school like this one, being private, can dictate what is (or not) a decent appearance for a boy while he is attending class there without breaking his constitutional rights. We can't have courts telling proprietors how to run their schools, especially if no rights of students are infringed.
The case is frivolous, a waste of time for the courts
Muriel
#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:47:19 AM
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maka wrote:
Dreadlocks do not equate freedoms...unless they prove factual constitutional breaches e.g religion...where the child was denied the right to practise Rastafarism and even so being Rasta does not equate to having locks since many Rasta,s don,t have locks.The child cannot be beholden to the Nazarite vow since the parents are not practising Jews...like Samson et al...with that the mum should just give up.


Logical.

Unlike the Sabbath case you mentioned earlier, there is no religious right to be infringed if hair is done. The school also cannot cite religion to control hairdo styles. If the parent is rigid that the child has to have a certain hairdo at the expense of the child's education, the parent could be an unfit parent. Education is more important than hairdo.
McReggae
#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:50:11 AM
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A parent must ensure he/she is in very good working relationship with the teachers he/she trusts his/her kids with, even if she won (she won't), what does this mean for the innocent child, you can't bring up a child to be defiant and want him to be learning in a non conducive environment!!!......now all the admin of all the other schools know that she is a trouble, she and the kid loses either way, poor move by the mom!!!!
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tycho
#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 8:55:23 AM
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Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.


Is it the people to shape up or the institution?


'The people' are already changing, they are the market. Service providers and other institutions are not adjusting to meet this demand.


but....but.....Behind the institution and service providers we have "people"

Therefore going by your argument,since "people" are already changing then the institutions are also already changing


I saw this twist about 'the people' and 'institutions' coming. It was in your initial question. But I chose to go along because I believe that institutions have some kind of rationality that's different from personal and private rationality. All the same the court case is part of the institutional change.
washiku
#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:00:15 AM
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McReggae wrote:
A parent must ensure he/she is in very good working relationship with the teachers he/she trusts his/her kids with, even if she won (she won't), what does this mean for the innocent child, you can't bring up a child to be defiant and want him to be learning in a non conducive environment!!!......now all the admin of all the other schools know that she is a trouble, she and the kid loses either way, poor move by the mom!!!!


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tycho
#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:10:50 AM
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quicksand wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.

Ever been to Strathmore? Jeans,tshirts and hemlines above the knees are not allowed last time I checked. Hizo unavaa huko nje, but when reporting for classes you don't. Some companies also enforce such rules, PWC comes to mind. If you wear dreadlocks and want to work there, you cut them, otherwise you apply to Google or ScanAd where they dont care about hairstyle.
I believe a school like this one, being private, can dictate what is (or not) a decent appearance for a boy while he is attending class there without breaking his constitutional rights. We can't have courts telling proprietors how to run their schools, especially if no rights of students are infringed.
The case is frivolous, a waste of time for the courts


@quicksand, I notice that you've given examples of some institutions that allow people to dress as they wish, and some that have strict codes. And at the same time you say that the ones with strict codes don't violate any rights. I think there's a contradiction there. Because if there were no contradiction whatsoever then there'd hardly be a difference between the two kinds of institutions that you've mentioned.

@maka's argument has some limitation. Cultural and existential freedoms aren't cut in stone such that others can speak for others and determine what's in or out. That's what's happens when a European and an Arab meet for example. Or colonial assimilation policies. All these don't promote and respect human diversity and equality.

Muriel
#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:33:23 AM
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tycho wrote:


@maka's argument has some limitation. Cultural and existential freedoms aren't cut in stone such that others can speak for others and determine what's in or out. That's what's happens when a European and an Arab meet for example. Or colonial assimilation policies. All these don't promote and respect human diversity and equality.



Brother,

I see no limitation to and in Maka's argument.

I find it perfectly well reasoned and balanced. I also find his stance thoroughly pro-freedom or anti-limitation in that he sifts out shifty claims of 'limitations'.

The only 'limitation' you can glean from it is the parent's alleged 'limitation' of her preferences - a 'limitation' that is no limitation.
quicksand
#37 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 9:55:59 AM
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tycho wrote:
quicksand wrote:
tycho wrote:
Most institutions are not ready to work in a multicultural environment. That's a big problem. Rusinga school needs to shape up.

Ever been to Strathmore? Jeans,tshirts and hemlines above the knees are not allowed last time I checked. Hizo unavaa huko nje, but when reporting for classes you don't. Some companies also enforce such rules, PWC comes to mind. If you wear dreadlocks and want to work there, you cut them, otherwise you apply to Google or ScanAd where they dont care about hairstyle.
I believe a school like this one, being private, can dictate what is (or not) a decent appearance for a boy while he is attending class there without breaking his constitutional rights. We can't have courts telling proprietors how to run their schools, especially if no rights of students are infringed.
The case is frivolous, a waste of time for the courts


@quicksand, I notice that you've given examples of some institutions that allow people to dress as they wish, and some that have strict codes. And at the same time you say that the ones with strict codes don't violate any rights. I think there's a contradiction there. Because if there were no contradiction whatsoever then there'd hardly be a difference between the two kinds of institutions that you've mentioned.

@maka's argument has some limitation. Cultural and existential freedoms aren't cut in stone such that others can speak for others and determine what's in or out. That's what's happens when a European and an Arab meet for example. Or colonial assimilation policies. All these don't promote and respect human diversity and equality.


You have said up there that Rusinga needs to work in a multicultural environment: No they don't. They have a right to be conservative if they so wish. There are schools that are progressive. The parent can enroll their kid in those schools. Flip the coin and look at it this way, if Rusinga was very progressive and a conservative parent wanted to remove their kid to a more conservative school, would Rusinga be entitled to sue to stop the kid from leaving?
Wendz
#38 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:15:16 PM
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tycho wrote:


@quicksand, I notice that you've given examples of some institutions that allow people to dress as they wish, and some that have strict codes. And at the same time you say that the ones with strict codes don't violate any rights. I think there's a contradiction there. Because if there were no contradiction whatsoever then there'd hardly be a difference between the two kinds of institutions that you've mentioned.




In my view, when you join a certain institution, you sign for registration, you actually sign to abide by their rules and regulations. Any institution has to be governed in a certain way. if dreadlocks is on their red category, you cant force them to move to their green because another parent will put the 8.00 class on the red because his kid is not an "early morning person".... so, would the school demand for punctuality be a violation of rights in this case? What about that kid who would rather go to school in home clothes? Dont they abide by the rules? If they cant control hairdo, what will make them stop kids from wearing mohawk, red-blue-green-white-pink-purple braids? And what will we have then?
Thiong'o
#39 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:33:56 PM
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The High Court sitting in Nairobi has declined to issue an order compelling a Nairobi school to reinstate a student suspended for sporting dreadlocks. Justice Mumbi Ngugi declined to issue an order directing Rusinga School to allow the six-year-old pupil back to school - See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...ass#sthash.dT6rfIPu.dpuf
McReggae
#40 Posted : Wednesday, September 17, 2014 3:37:40 PM
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Thiong'o wrote:
The High Court sitting in Nairobi has declined to issue an order compelling a Nairobi school to reinstate a student suspended for sporting dreadlocks. Justice Mumbi Ngugi declined to issue an order directing Rusinga School to allow the six-year-old pupil back to school - See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...ss#sthash.dT6rfIPu.dpuf[


I expected it,,,,no proof of discrimination!!!
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