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tycho
#41 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 11:04:49 AM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.


Yes. But up to the point that Mindsets are the object of the spiritual life. But spirituality is about doing away with Mindsets.


What is 'spiritual life'.

You want to say it is separate from the body, 'physical life'? I think there is just one 'life'. It is not divisible.

So you see you and I have different 'faiths'. 2 faiths.

Mindsets.


The spiritual life is life beyond the physical and the mindset. The spiritual works with the physical but the physical can't and shouldn't direct the spiritual. A mindset is of the physical. Something to be overcome.
symbols
#42 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 11:06:33 AM
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Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.


Yes. But up to the point that Mindsets are the object of the spiritual life. But spirituality is about doing away with Mindsets.


What is 'spiritual life'.

You want to say it is separate from the body, 'physical life'? I think there is just one 'life'. It is not divisible.

So you see you and I have different 'faiths'. 2 faiths.

Mindsets.


Divisible.Good one.
Muriel
#43 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 11:27:29 AM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.


Yes. But up to the point that Mindsets are the object of the spiritual life. But spirituality is about doing away with Mindsets.


What is 'spiritual life'.

You want to say it is separate from the body, 'physical life'? I think there is just one 'life'. It is not divisible.

So you see you and I have different 'faiths'. 2 faiths.

Mindsets.


The spiritual life is life beyond the physical and the mindset. The spiritual works with the physical but the physical can't and shouldn't direct the spiritual. A mindset is of the physical. Something to be overcome.


So you are indeed saying man has 2 lives - a spiritual and a physical. Maybe at some point they separate.

Anyway, if mindset is of the physical it implies it can be talked about in physical terms. It seems to me that 'spiritual life' can also be talked of also as 'mindset'.

It influences the physical, just as mindset.
tycho
#44 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 11:32:15 AM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.


Yes. But up to the point that Mindsets are the object of the spiritual life. But spirituality is about doing away with Mindsets.


What is 'spiritual life'.

You want to say it is separate from the body, 'physical life'? I think there is just one 'life'. It is not divisible.

So you see you and I have different 'faiths'. 2 faiths.

Mindsets.


The spiritual life is life beyond the physical and the mindset. The spiritual works with the physical but the physical can't and shouldn't direct the spiritual. A mindset is of the physical. Something to be overcome.


So you are indeed saying man has 2 lives - a spiritual and a physical. Maybe at some point they separate.

Anyway, if mindset is of the physical it implies it can be talked about in physical terms. It seems to me that 'spiritual life' can also be talked of also as 'mindset'.

It influences the physical, just as mindset.


The spiritual is beyond Mindsets. The physical and spiritual separate now and then. Yet they are also one.
timuka
#45 Posted : Thursday, March 26, 2015 8:00:05 PM
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