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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Theology without love is a waste of time. The language of angels without love, noise. There can be no other touchstone but love. Absolutely! Love includes. The object of love must not shun the channel of love. Both make beautiful music. Theology without love is clanging debe. Nyang must not shun love then protest unlove. Nyang has his responsibility, he must not think it's easy to bear his burden by claiming atheism or even gayism. And to the 'rest' being 'conventional' or even 'normal' is evil without love. Sinful. Look at it this way, what's our reaction when we hear so and so is an atheist or is gay? Righteous indignation is a thousand miles from love. With love, even darkness, illusion, are material for consumption. For love is a fire. Light. What's there to perplex the children of light? If Nyang has no light, then we surely have no light! And what a perfect illusion of love is there than that of theology! It's the anti-christ in the sense of Man going against the tide from flesh to the word, instead of word to flesh, and dwelling among us. Let all you are heavily laden come to me, and find rest. For the only burden is burning. Transforming. My response when I hear so and so is atheist or gay will be love. How is love expressed? - "I love you, coochie coo."? What will be his response when he hears so and so is animist, monotheist, deist, polytheist? - "He causes poverty and backwardness!" Being a stone to the current of love. Nyang. That's an answer only you can give while your 'bear the cross'. Love goes beyond words. Indeed it does. If it goes beyond words, then to where, to who or to what? To itself.
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Theology without love is a waste of time. The language of angels without love, noise. There can be no other touchstone but love. Absolutely! Love includes. The object of love must not shun the channel of love. Both make beautiful music. Theology without love is clanging debe. Nyang must not shun love then protest unlove. Nyang has his responsibility, he must not think it's easy to bear his burden by claiming atheism or even gayism. And to the 'rest' being 'conventional' or even 'normal' is evil without love. Sinful. Look at it this way, what's our reaction when we hear so and so is an atheist or is gay? Righteous indignation is a thousand miles from love. With love, even darkness, illusion, are material for consumption. For love is a fire. Light. What's there to perplex the children of light? If Nyang has no light, then we surely have no light! And what a perfect illusion of love is there than that of theology! It's the anti-christ in the sense of Man going against the tide from flesh to the word, instead of word to flesh, and dwelling among us. Let all you are heavily laden come to me, and find rest. For the only burden is burning. Transforming. My response when I hear so and so is atheist or gay will be love. How is love expressed? - "I love you, coochie coo."? What will be his response when he hears so and so is animist, monotheist, deist, polytheist? - "He causes poverty and backwardness!" Being a stone to the current of love. Nyang. That's an answer only you can give while your 'bear the cross'. Love goes beyond words. Indeed it does. If it goes beyond words, then to where, to who or to what? To itself. If itself is where, who and what, then it can be defined. It has limits.
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Theology without love is a waste of time. The language of angels without love, noise. There can be no other touchstone but love. Absolutely! Love includes. The object of love must not shun the channel of love. Both make beautiful music. Theology without love is clanging debe. Nyang must not shun love then protest unlove. Nyang has his responsibility, he must not think it's easy to bear his burden by claiming atheism or even gayism. And to the 'rest' being 'conventional' or even 'normal' is evil without love. Sinful. Look at it this way, what's our reaction when we hear so and so is an atheist or is gay? Righteous indignation is a thousand miles from love. With love, even darkness, illusion, are material for consumption. For love is a fire. Light. What's there to perplex the children of light? If Nyang has no light, then we surely have no light! And what a perfect illusion of love is there than that of theology! It's the anti-christ in the sense of Man going against the tide from flesh to the word, instead of word to flesh, and dwelling among us. Let all you are heavily laden come to me, and find rest. For the only burden is burning. Transforming. My response when I hear so and so is atheist or gay will be love. How is love expressed? - "I love you, coochie coo."? What will be his response when he hears so and so is animist, monotheist, deist, polytheist? - "He causes poverty and backwardness!" Being a stone to the current of love. Nyang. That's an answer only you can give while your 'bear the cross'. Love goes beyond words. Indeed it does. If it goes beyond words, then to where, to who or to what? And if it goes beyond words, showing extent, it has a starting point? What about the ending point. Love is eternal. No beginning and no end. True, that is so in space. Extent. Not necessarily in time. It ends.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Theology without love is a waste of time. The language of angels without love, noise. There can be no other touchstone but love. Absolutely! Love includes. The object of love must not shun the channel of love. Both make beautiful music. Theology without love is clanging debe. Nyang must not shun love then protest unlove. Nyang has his responsibility, he must not think it's easy to bear his burden by claiming atheism or even gayism. And to the 'rest' being 'conventional' or even 'normal' is evil without love. Sinful. Look at it this way, what's our reaction when we hear so and so is an atheist or is gay? Righteous indignation is a thousand miles from love. With love, even darkness, illusion, are material for consumption. For love is a fire. Light. What's there to perplex the children of light? If Nyang has no light, then we surely have no light! And what a perfect illusion of love is there than that of theology! It's the anti-christ in the sense of Man going against the tide from flesh to the word, instead of word to flesh, and dwelling among us. Let all you are heavily laden come to me, and find rest. For the only burden is burning. Transforming. My response when I hear so and so is atheist or gay will be love. How is love expressed? - "I love you, coochie coo."? What will be his response when he hears so and so is animist, monotheist, deist, polytheist? - "He causes poverty and backwardness!" Being a stone to the current of love. Nyang. That's an answer only you can give while your 'bear the cross'. Love goes beyond words. Indeed it does. If it goes beyond words, then to where, to who or to what? And if it goes beyond words, showing extent, it has a starting point? What about the ending point. Love is eternal. No beginning and no end. True, that is so in space. Extent. Not necessarily in time. It ends. No space, no time. Only time ends.
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mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool.
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Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. Being religious isn't the same as 'finding God', being 'atheistic' isn't the same as being Godless.
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tycho wrote:Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. Being religious isn't the same as 'finding God', being 'atheistic' isn't the same as being Godless. I'm lost @tycho work to prosper
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Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. The Russian Orthodox church is well entrenched in that society. The president is a member even.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Tokyo wrote:tycho wrote:Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. Being religious isn't the same as 'finding God', being 'atheistic' isn't the same as being Godless. I'm lost @tycho A good place to start is by considering @mv_ufanisi's point that most of us have highly simplistic definitions of God. When one declares himself to be a believer using such simplistic definitions how can he be different from the atheist who is reacting to these definitions? Clearly, in this case both are backing the wrong horse, and are oblivious of the right one. A second point to consider is the common thread that atheistic mysticism has with theistic mysticism. The Eastern mystical systems are a good place to start. Within what we may call 'Hinduism' we find atheistic belief sharing common ground with theistic belief. The mystical nature of Buddhism is the same as that of Sufi, it's the same as Christian mysticism. Only symbols and rituals differ. Yet Buddhism or Confucianism aren't necessarily theistic. For example, in Zen the monk is told to kick the Buddha if he meets him on the way. Thirdly, in the history of Western thought many thinkers have been labeled atheists even when they have considered themselves to be theist. Like Schleirmacher. Others like Camus, or Nietzsche have been considered atheists at some point yet the more we study and think about their works the more we realize their commitment to love, and power, aspects we may consider theistic. Fourthly: My favorite atheists have been Carl Sagan, and one Eustace Chesser. Both have shown that they aren't immune from seeking a cosmic connection between Man and the universe, and love without fear. Both positions are the stuff of all mysticism. Matters to do with God. Work at the scientific labs across the world are moving humans to a deeper kind of mysticism. From neuroscience to particle physics, even to artificial intelligence we are seeing such common ground between religious mysticism and science.
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Tokyo wrote:tycho wrote:Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. Being religious isn't the same as 'finding God', being 'atheistic' isn't the same as being Godless. I'm lost @tycho I think he means, the specifics of 'God' is not specific. What is your 'god' is not necessarily anothers' 'god'. Mv_ufanisi talked about a 'measure of intelligence' as if it were fact yet without fully explaining what it is. That is faith. His 'god'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. The Russian Orthodox church is well entrenched in that society. The president is a member even. It seems some of us haven't studied Russian history. But here's something interesting born of these times http://english.pravda.ru...014/128293-mark_beast-0/
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Caramba wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:[quote=Robinhood]The fool has said in his heart - there is no God The fool was told "God is everywhere" and "God is everything" so went back to sleep. Hmmmm..... Makes you wonder. According to the CIA fact book, China is officially atheist. Japan is largely atheist(Budhists>70%), so is Russia, North & South Korea. If you add the more than 30% atheist population in the Western world, one would say that close to 1/3 of the people on Earth are atheist. Another has argued on this thread that those who find god are happier than non-believers. For a country that is rabidly religious such as Kenya (or Nigeria) I'd hardly describe the general populace as a happy lot. Not least when compared to the Chinese. If you juxtapose the two African countries with Japan, no prizes for guessing where you'd find the greater fool. The Russian Orthodox church is well entrenched in that society. The president is a member even. It seems some of us haven't studied Russian history. But here's something interesting born of these times http://english.pravda.ru...14/128293-mark_beast-0/[/quote] Absolutely. Some truth with a dash of ignorance. Lie. Sin. 'Atheism' as is commonly and typically thought of is a hoax.
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