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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
One can love even a stone. The stone is held together by the power of love.
Love by its nature cannot exist without a giver. Neither can it exist without a receiver. Love requires more than one. To merely call upon others to love (while being unresponsive, nay, anti-lover) is selfish. Irresponsible. Love exists without a giver and receiver. It doesn't need either of the two, yet it involves them. Such conditionalities that you're setting are about 'utilitarianism', selfishness.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,331 Location: Masada
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sheri wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:Wamunyota wrote: Datheka nginya Ndathuria? Interesting. LMAO,kikuyus willl get it.... Thugs broke into a mans house in Nyeri beat him up,stripped him naked &tied him on a tree in his compound..Next morning once the neighbours untied him,he immediately ran after his calf &beat it to death,when they asked him why he did it he said..''Ndirohirwo ni mikora gacenji gaka kareciria ndi nyina kanyongete muti utuku mugima''  @impunity you are evil.!!!! Why baibe? Si I'm just reporting what happened.  Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
Love exists without a giver and receiver. It doesn't need either of the two, yet it involves them. Such conditionalities that you're setting are about 'utilitarianism', selfishness.
What is love? Quote:Love, like energy can only be seen by the effect of the power involved, and the events involved in the perfect union, and relation of the 'I' and 'thou', and the seperation once again; and the union again, into an eternal dance of giving the self to the other and for the other. Mutually.
........... love requires the availability of the 'I' and 'thou'. Love requires more than one. Love cannot exist without a giver and a receiver. To call upon love, like Nyang is doing while making no effort, even negating efforts, to love is the selfishness. Irresponsibility.
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/19/2012 Posts: 552
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Impunity wrote:sheri wrote:Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:Wamunyota wrote: Datheka nginya Ndathuria? Interesting. LMAO,kikuyus willl get it.... Thugs broke into a mans house in Nyeri beat him up,stripped him naked &tied him on a tree in his compound..Next morning once the neighbours untied him,he immediately ran after his calf &beat it to death,when they asked him why he did it he said..''Ndirohirwo ni mikora gacenji gaka kareciria ndi nyina kanyongete muti utuku mugima'' @impunity you are evil.!!!! Why baibe? Si I'm just reporting what happened. @Impunity, you've made my morning, nimecheka yangu yote. Too often we underestimate the power of a touch, a smile, a kind word, a listening ear, an honest compliment, or the smallest act of caring, all of which have the potential to turn a life around.... Leo Buscaglia
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Love exists without a giver and receiver. It doesn't need either of the two, yet it involves them. Such conditionalities that you're setting are about 'utilitarianism', selfishness.
What is love? Quote:Love, like energy can only be seen by the effect of the power involved, and the events involved in the perfect union, and relation of the 'I' and 'thou', and the seperation once again; and the union again, into an eternal dance of giving the self to the other and for the other. Mutually.
........... love requires the availability of the 'I' and 'thou'. Love requires more than one. Love cannot exist without a giver and a receiver. To call upon love, like Nyang is doing while making no effort, even negating efforts, to love is the selfishness. Irresponsibility. The 'definition' for love above doesn't negate the fact that love goes beyond the I and thou.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Love exists without a giver and receiver. It doesn't need either of the two, yet it involves them. Such conditionalities that you're setting are about 'utilitarianism', selfishness.
What is love? Quote:Love, like energy can only be seen by the effect of the power involved, and the events involved in the perfect union, and relation of the 'I' and 'thou', and the seperation once again; and the union again, into an eternal dance of giving the self to the other and for the other. Mutually.
........... love requires the availability of the 'I' and 'thou'. Love requires more than one. Love cannot exist without a giver and a receiver. To call upon love, like Nyang is doing while making no effort, even negating efforts, to love is the selfishness. Irresponsibility. The 'definition' for love above doesn't negate the fact that love goes beyond the I and thou. Yes. But it includes I and thou. It requires the I and thou. So I still think I'm not wrong.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
Love exists without a giver and receiver. It doesn't need either of the two, yet it involves them. Such conditionalities that you're setting are about 'utilitarianism', selfishness.
What is love? Quote:Love, like energy can only be seen by the effect of the power involved, and the events involved in the perfect union, and relation of the 'I' and 'thou', and the seperation once again; and the union again, into an eternal dance of giving the self to the other and for the other. Mutually.
........... love requires the availability of the 'I' and 'thou'. Love requires more than one. Love cannot exist without a giver and a receiver. To call upon love, like Nyang is doing while making no effort, even negating efforts, to love is the selfishness. Irresponsibility. The 'definition' for love above doesn't negate the fact that love goes beyond the I and thou. Yes. But it includes I and thou. It requires the I and thou. So I still think I'm not wrong. Including and requiring. The latter is a precondition for existence. Yet even before existence there's love flowing. Love is the requirement for I and thou. Before even 'creation'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 625
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Mukiri wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God Word What is the definition of God? Is it the Christian God, Allah, the old Gods of our African traditions we knew for thousands of years who we promptly forsook after Islam and Christian invaders converted us, the scientific laws that govern the universe anbd nature, Buddha or the money that we're chasing around all the time. Kenyans like to cram religious text whether bible or koran and then quote them as if they are scientific documents.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/3/2014 Posts: 1,063
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Impunity wrote:tycho wrote:Wamunyota wrote: Datheka nginya Ndathuria? Interesting. LMAO,kikuyus willl get it.... Thugs broke into a mans house in Nyeri beat him up,stripped him naked &tied him on a tree in his compound..Next morning once the neighbours untied him,he immediately ran after his calf &beat it to death,when they asked him why he did it he said..''Ndirohirwo ni mikora gacenji gaka kareciria ndi nyina kanyongete muti utuku mugima'' Consistency is better than intensity
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mv_ufanisi wrote:Mukiri wrote:Robinhood wrote:The fool has said in his heart - there is no God Word What is the definition of God? Is it the Christian God, Allah, the old Gods of our African traditions we knew for thousands of years who we promptly forsook after Islam and Christian invaders converted us, the scientific laws that govern the universe anbd nature, Buddha or the money that we're chasing around all the time. Kenyans like to cram religious text whether bible or koran and then quote them as if they are scientific documents. @mv, I like your thinking. You know, I don't blame many people who evaluate what they have been taught by their parents, what they have heard from preachers, and decide aha this thing does not fit God Almighty. So unfortunately, out of frustration and with narrow knowledge, they easily fall into atheism. So we need a Touchstone of theology.THEO = means GOD LOGY = means STUDY You know what is a touchstone?If you want to sell or buy a jewelery, what do you do? You go to a goldsmith, and check how pure is the jewel. He takes the gold jewelry and rubs it against a touchstone. And depending upon the colour he says whether it is 24 carats or 18 carats or it is not gold at all. Because all that glitters is not gold!So we must have a touchstone of theology. Such that whichever god you worship, put him to the test. If that god passes the test, then it is a true God  Otherwise, it is not a true God 
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