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sheri
#21 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 7:36:28 PM
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kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.

Laughing out loudly I thought i was alone.
tycho
#22 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 7:38:12 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.


Why? For whom?


@Kysse, why does a child cry?


Hungry,Thirsty,Wet,Constipation,Colic,Sick,Tired,Attention ,Sleepy,Pain.


Not just pain, discomfort, and the like, but also and mainly because of a sense of helplessness.
kysse
#23 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 7:51:29 PM
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tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.


Why? For whom?


@Kysse, why does a child cry?


Hungry,Thirsty,Wet,Constipation,Colic,Sick,Tired,Attention ,Sleepy,Pain.


Not just pain, discomfort, and the like, but also and mainly because of a sense of helplessness.


Ok najitafutia shida but here I go.

A child doesn't know that it's helpless. The senses trigger it to cry.
tycho
#24 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 7:55:59 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.


Why? For whom?


@Kysse, why does a child cry?


Hungry,Thirsty,Wet,Constipation,Colic,Sick,Tired,Attention ,Sleepy,Pain.


Not just pain, discomfort, and the like, but also and mainly because of a sense of helplessness.


Ok najitafutia shida but here I go.

A child doesn't know that it's helpless. The senses trigger it to cry.


Like the senses are overwhelmed?
Muriel
#25 Posted : Monday, September 08, 2014 11:13:35 AM
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tycho wrote:
Is there a disease or affliction, or condition whose root cause isn't the lack of love, and whose cure isn't love?


Hell?
Angelica _ann
#26 Posted : Monday, September 08, 2014 11:15:24 AM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is there a disease or affliction, or condition whose root cause isn't the lack of love, and whose cure isn't love?


Hell?

stalking!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Muriel
#27 Posted : Monday, September 08, 2014 11:18:43 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is there a disease or affliction, or condition whose root cause isn't the lack of love, and whose cure isn't love?


Hell?

stalking!


Absolutely.

They are many!
tycho
#28 Posted : Monday, September 08, 2014 1:43:04 PM
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Muriel wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Is there a disease or affliction, or condition whose root cause isn't the lack of love, and whose cure isn't love?


Hell?

stalking!


Absolutely.

They are many!


Stalking and hell, and the many words in your bucket list, love conquers them all.
Muriel
#29 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:05:33 AM
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Brother,

So as not to distract brother Alphdoti as he ponders the matters of doctrine, I have elected to chat with you about your question here.

You have asked why not 'different faiths one God'?

Why different faiths?
tycho
#30 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:12:39 AM
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Muriel wrote:
Brother,

So as not to distract brother Alphdoti as he ponders the matters of doctrine, I have elected to chat with you about your question here.

You have asked why not 'different faiths one God'?

Why different faiths?


Different perceptions, culture and symbols, times, the 'vastness of knowlege'.
Muriel
#31 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:14:49 AM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Brother,

So as not to distract brother Alphdoti as he ponders the matters of doctrine, I have elected to chat with you about your question here.

You have asked why not 'different faiths one God'?

Why different faiths?


Different perceptions, culture and symbols, times, the 'vastness of knowlege'.


And different mindsets.
tycho
#32 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:18:11 AM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Brother,

So as not to distract brother Alphdoti as he ponders the matters of doctrine, I have elected to chat with you about your question here.

You have asked why not 'different faiths one God'?

Why different faiths?


Different perceptions, culture and symbols, times, the 'vastness of knowlege'.


And different mindsets.


'Mindsets'. Yes that's a factor too. Though it opens up the discussion to a very important aspect of spirituality.
Muriel
#33 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:21:48 AM
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How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?
tycho
#34 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:27:51 AM
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Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.
2012
#35 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:30:28 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
I know am going town regret doing this but here I go.

@Tycho, does love really exist ? Is it comprehensible or even describable ?

Does it evoke a discernible pattern of behaviour ? Can we analyze it further or is it just an emotion that defies rational examination ?


Love is what you think or make it to be. It's a feeling that's unique to you and has no measure or generic definition. It's just like sadness or even fear. Most of us can understand what you are going through but can't really be experience your feeling. It's unfair for someone to ask you to explain how you feel about them because they will judge you on the shallowness of your answer. Only an experienced player or a poet can give you the perfect answer to that question.

BBI will solve it
:)
tycho
#36 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:36:35 AM
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2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I know am going town regret doing this but here I go.

@Tycho, does love really exist ? Is it comprehensible or even describable ?

Does it evoke a discernible pattern of behaviour ? Can we analyze it further or is it just an emotion that defies rational examination ?


Love is what you think or make it to be. It's a feeling that's unique to you and has no measure or generic definition. It's just like sadness or even fear. Most of us can understand what you are going through but can't really be experience your feeling. It's unfair for someone to ask you to explain how you feel about them because they will judge you on the shallowness of your answer. Only an experienced player or a poet can give you the perfect answer to that question.


This is 'love' about hormones and cuddling. Grossly misinformed and misleading.

Muriel
#37 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:41:35 AM
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tycho wrote:
2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
I know am going town regret doing this but here I go.

@Tycho, does love really exist ? Is it comprehensible or even describable ?

Does it evoke a discernible pattern of behaviour ? Can we analyze it further or is it just an emotion that defies rational examination ?


Love is what you think or make it to be. It's a feeling that's unique to you and has no measure or generic definition. It's just like sadness or even fear. Most of us can understand what you are going through but can't really be experience your feeling. It's unfair for someone to ask you to explain how you feel about them because they will judge you on the shallowness of your answer. Only an experienced player or a poet can give you the perfect answer to that question.


This is 'love' about hormones and cuddling. Grossly misinformed and misleading.



Love is a principle.
Muriel
#38 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:45:19 AM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.
tycho
#39 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:49:08 AM
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Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.


Yes. But up to the point that Mindsets are the object of the spiritual life. But spirituality is about doing away with Mindsets.
Muriel
#40 Posted : Monday, September 15, 2014 10:59:38 AM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
How do you think 'mindset' is a factor in 'faith'?


I think with my mind. Like the mind is a tool. If it's set along certain parameters and values and I expect things to go as expected by the set, then that's an example of faith.



What happens if the parameters and values one mind is set on is not the parameters and values another mind is set on?

For example, when an atheist insists there is no god (though he knows it not that he himself has a god) to a theist who insists his is the the only God?

There are 2 gods there. 2 faiths.


Yes. But up to the point that Mindsets are the object of the spiritual life. But spirituality is about doing away with Mindsets.


What is 'spiritual life'.

You want to say it is separate from the body, 'physical life'? I think there is just one 'life'. It is not divisible.

So you see you and I have different 'faiths'. 2 faiths.

Mindsets.
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