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Meditations on love
tycho
#1 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:08:33 AM
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Just when youth is fast fading from me, do I get a clinch on the meaning of true love. And if I have to look at my past deeds I can only see my wickedness and it's a miracle that I haven't turned into a pillar of salt.

Despite my most ardent protestations of love has been an insidious amount of self deceit so carefully covered that to see my sinful nature has been so difficult.

Like whenever I have been asked, 'and why do you love me?' I have often fumbled for an answer. Now and then mumbling words I guess would please my listener's ears. And the answers have been so varied that in my place of quiet I have found myself sweating in shame.

But now my beloved, I love you, because in my contemplation of you I so lose myself and my desire, that only you remains.
FRM2011
#2 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:58:19 AM
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I know am going town regret doing this but here I go.

@Tycho, does love really exist ? Is it comprehensible or even describable ?

Does it evoke a discernible pattern of behaviour ? Can we analyze it further or is it just an emotion that defies rational examination ?
MKWASI
#3 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:01:13 AM
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tycho wrote:
Just when youth is fast fading from me, do I get a clinch on the meaning of true love. And if I have to look at my past deeds I can only see my wickedness and it's a miracle that I haven't turned into a pillar of salt.

Despite my most ardent protestations of love has been an insidious amount of self deceit so carefully covered that to see my sinful nature has been so difficult.

Like whenever I have been asked, 'and why do you love me?' I have often fumbled for an answer. Now and then mumbling words I guess would please my listener's ears. And the answers have been so varied that in my place of quiet I have found myself sweating in shame.

But now my beloved, I love you, because in my contemplation of you I so lose myself and my desire, that only you remains.


Hongera...Unaambatanisha hisia na nafsi kwa ustadi.
tycho
#4 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:17:30 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
I know am going town regret doing this but here I go.

@Tycho, does love really exist ? Is it comprehensible or even describable ?

Does it evoke a discernible pattern of behaviour ? Can we analyze it further or is it just an emotion that defies rational examination ?


The anticipation of regret is called fear, and for the fearful love can't exist. That is, it becomes difficult to find and experience.

Yet there's a science of love. Describable to the smallest detail. Beyond emotion, to the point of indifference.

Allow me to illustrate with a story. There once was this Zen monk who was taken by people to be so pious. But one day the neighbor's daughter became pregnant and upon interrogation she said that it was the monk that had impregnated her. When the parents went to him, he just said, 'is that so?' And took the child to his care. After some time, the girl was filled with guilt and decided to say the truth. It was a fisherman's child. Up to now the villagers had shunned the monk for his immorality, and the parents were so full of guilt and rushed to the monk.

'Is that so?' The monk asked again and let the child, the parents, the villagers, his ego, go.

The monk understood the science of love.
tycho
#5 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:19:08 AM
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MKWASI wrote:
tycho wrote:
Just when youth is fast fading from me, do I get a clinch on the meaning of true love. And if I have to look at my past deeds I can only see my wickedness and it's a miracle that I haven't turned into a pillar of salt.

Despite my most ardent protestations of love has been an insidious amount of self deceit so carefully covered that to see my sinful nature has been so difficult.

Like whenever I have been asked, 'and why do you love me?' I have often fumbled for an answer. Now and then mumbling words I guess would please my listener's ears. And the answers have been so varied that in my place of quiet I have found myself sweating in shame.

But now my beloved, I love you, because in my contemplation of you I so lose myself and my desire, that only you remains.


Hongera...Unaambatanisha hisia na nafsi kwa ustadi.


Asante. Uhuru u hapo.
tycho
#6 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:54:10 AM
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In the height of love, it's easy to see what heaven and hell are.

The body, like the flower, is soon gone to be replaced with another. But love goes beyond the body. So does hell. The former is the fire of life burning without end, yet it's effect is ineffable joy, and peace. The latter is the fire of life met with repression, and anger, and confusion yet burning with no end.

Before stepping into the grave, the die is already cast. Heaven and hell are domains of the 'living' -in the most obvious sense of the term.
Muriel
#7 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 10:31:33 AM
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What is love or who is it.


How can love be when there is hell?
Swenani
#8 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 3:47:19 PM
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Love is an ecstasy that kills our brain cells and weakens our ability to see and act rationally.
If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
tycho
#9 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 7:12:15 PM
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Muriel wrote:
What is love or who is it.


How can love be when there is hell?


Love, like energy can only be seen by the effect of the power involved, and the events involved in the perfect union, and relation of the 'I' and 'thou', and the seperation once again; and the union again, into an eternal dance of giving the self to the other and for the other. Mutually.

Such power is it; and even more, personified into 'God'.

There's hell because it's not necessary for it to be. Yet it is. The ego can fail to yield. Can fail to see, or even hear. One can despise knowledge and hence perish.
tycho
#10 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 7:15:22 PM
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Swenani wrote:
Love is an ecstasy that kills our brain cells and weakens our ability to see and act rationally.


True. Love is irrational, that's why it has no fear. Rationality is about fear. Holding back. Putting up barriers. I know of no greater evil than pure rationality.
tycho
#11 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:05:11 PM
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Is there a disease or affliction, or condition whose root cause isn't the lack of love, and whose cure isn't love?
kysse
#12 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:09:37 PM
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Rollout
#13 Posted : Friday, September 05, 2014 1:13:40 AM
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I love love and falling inlove, it does feel good, it feel better than bonus and ROI
murchr
#14 Posted : Friday, September 05, 2014 2:21:41 AM
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Rollout wrote:
I love love and falling inlove, it does feel good, it feel better than bonus and ROI


Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause Applause

Let me not say much
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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tycho
#15 Posted : Friday, September 05, 2014 10:39:14 AM
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Love goes beyond pain and pleasure. From the physical to the spiritual, the greatest lover is master over the orgasm.

I was a young boy when I got my first orgasm. My anticipation of a second one were filled with the question, 'uchungu itafika saa ngapi?' Painful pleasure. After that my psychological life hinged on this pleasurable circuit. Love, being connected to pleasure became sexual and orgasmic. Any pain was met by a desire to reactivate my pleasure circuits. Stress increasing 'libido'.

That's how one builds a prison from within. And proceeds to imprison the other. For now, like in my case, I had to look for ways to satisfy my brain circuit needs. And because my brain isn't 'unique' other circuits that fit could be found. And hence a false concept of love reinforced. The theme of false love is self satisfaction. Relationships are turned into strategies of self satisfaction and trade offs.

True love on the other hand must involve a constant rewiring of my brain networks. Avoidance of any addiction and expectations. Indifference and equanimity.

Thus love making is quite the opposite of what many think. It's about:

1. Mutual healing and circuit changing in the brain

2. Enlightenment

3. Transformation

4. Creation- physical to spiritual

5. Nurturing of the creation

6. Meditation

That is, love making goes beyond coitus. Love making is a powerful tool even in education, sports, organization design and sustainance, and all interpersonal relations.

Loving your neighbor as yourself is difficult not because it's unnatural but because the techniques for such a practice haven't been taught to most of us.
tycho
#16 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 10:28:06 AM
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Learning to be aware of my thoughts, inclinations and actions has been a wonderful experience. But there have been daunting moments. Like, I've come to realize how important it's been for me to please others. Even my most isolated actions are aimed at pleasing someone, however abstract the person may be. Like my self.

But pleasing others is a most difficult task. Impossible actually, from a certain perspective. The impossibility was weighing me down even as I was walking in the busy Kibera streets. Then I saw this old friend who was carrying a book. I stopped him, and after greetings I asked to see what the book was about. And alas, the answer to my questions was there waiting for me. This is what the writer was saying;

'There's nothing you can do to make God love you more, and nothing you can do to make God love you less'.

The attempt to please others in order to be loved more turned out to be an impossible task indeed. Yet the reminder was also about how humans can please each other. Cryptic!

kysse
#17 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 11:15:15 AM
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oh lord, make it easy.
tycho
#18 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:23:19 PM
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kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.


Why? For whom?
tycho
#19 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 6:05:22 PM
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tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.


Why? For whom?


@Kysse, why does a child cry?
kysse
#20 Posted : Sunday, September 07, 2014 7:26:24 PM
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tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:


oh lord, make it easy.


Why? For whom?


@Kysse, why does a child cry?


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