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mawinder
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:56:53 PM
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Apparently a friend of mine lost his dad in 1996 and the dad left 20,000 KCB shares in the custody of the same KCB which he didnt include in his will as the value was negligible.He now wants to transfer them.What is the process and what could be their value now factoring in bonuses, splits, dividends etc
its2013
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:17:41 PM
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I'm not a legal expert but this sounds like a succession case where he needs to apply to be given letters of administration together with any other qualifying persons.
Pretty hurts
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:26:51 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Apparently a friend of mine lost his dad in 1996 and the dad left 20,000 KCB shares in the custody of the same KCB which he didnt include in his will as the value was negligible.He now wants to transfer them.What is the process and what could be their value now factoring in bonuses, splits, dividends etc

From what I read (cant remember where), your friend must have shown some activity on the shares. If a person dies and his assets are left untouched for over years, the assets are remitted to the treasury as unclaimed assets. I dont know whether this works and my information is sketchy, but I thought there was something like that. Today, if a person dies and the account remains inactive for over several years, the cash is remitted to the state as unclaimed assets. Those with knowledge on this issue may help because mine is very sketchy
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 6:17:53 PM
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Unclaimed assests transfered to the authority can always be claimed back by the rightful owners by providing proof of ownership.
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murchr
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 6:41:02 PM
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Question:

1, If the shares are in custody of KCB, what proof does he have to show that indeed they still exist?

2, If the mother is alive, that would be the best person to follow that up, it will not be a smooth ride for him
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urstill1
#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:35:54 PM
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After a period of 2 years, the the dividends that have not been claimed are handed over to the state as unclaimed assets. The law talking about that came into force in 2011. Before then, nothing happened. The custodian kept everything until you produce evidence that you are the right person to inherit the stuff. Maybe through letter of admin or using your local area provincial administration officials.

PS: I'm still in the process of claiming mzee's KCB shares from KCB. They also need ALL the dividend cheques that have been sent throughout the years.
urstill1
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:41:26 PM
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murchr wrote:
Question:

1, If the shares are in custody of KCB, what proof does he have to show that indeed they still exist?

2, If the mother is alive, that would be the best person to follow that up, it will not be a smooth ride for him


That's the problem I'm currently experiencing. My dad left a lady who doesn't understand anything about trading or owning shares in companies. Everytime I talk to her about claiming these things she gets so confused till she thinks that I want to keep everything to myself. I gave up 2 years ago. These days I just watch as the share prices rise yet none of her kids is able to go to a decent school. I concentrate with myself after spending many months talking to her.
murchr
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 7:57:42 PM
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urstill1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Question:

1, If the shares are in custody of KCB, what proof does he have to show that indeed they still exist?

2, If the mother is alive, that would be the best person to follow that up, it will not be a smooth ride for him


That's the problem I'm currently experiencing. My dad left a lady who doesn't understand anything about trading or owning shares in companies. Everytime I talk to her about claiming these things she gets so confused till she thinks that I want to keep everything to myself. I gave up 2 years ago. These days I just watch as the share prices rise yet none of her kids is able to go to a decent school. I concentrate with myself after spending many months talking to her.


Tell her if she doesnt claim them the govt will keep it. Give her some education in the simplest form that she owns KCB and she needs to be sure how much she owns then keep affirming to her that she doesnt need to cash in but make sure that they are in her name.

Do the div cheques come thru the mail?
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Matoe
#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 8:56:15 PM
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mawinder wrote:
Apparently a friend of mine lost his dad in 1996 and the dad left 20,000 KCB shares in the custody of the same KCB which he didnt include in his will as the value was negligible.He now wants to transfer them.What is the process and what could be their value now factoring in bonuses, splits, dividends etc


Advice your friend to visit the KCB Registrars at Kencom house they will tell him the exact shares held.


The following is the procedure of transfering shares from a deceased shareholder to the benefiary:

i. certified copy of death certificate

ii. certified copy of letters of administration from High/Magistrate Court

iii. certified copy of certificate of confirmation of grant from High/Magistrate court

iv. certified copy of beneficiary and administrator identity card

v. original share certificates and all dividend cheques not presented for payment

vi. indemnity for lost share certificates and cheques

vii. certified copy of will (if any)

viii. transmission fee kes 2500.00 to be deposited at kcb share registration account

ix. transfer deed

x. approval fee of kes 675.00 to be deposited in NSE Ltd account. A further fee of kes 825.00 will be paid to the CDA at the time of presenting the documents.

xi. certified copy of ID card or surrender form for the deceased.

xii. CDS2 - CDA to avail the form to be signed by Administrator(s)

xiii. CDS7 - CDS to avail the form- to be signed by both the Administrator(s) and Beneficiary(ies)

In case a client goes through a public trustee (County Commissiner or Deputy County Commissioner) the following documents may be obtained in place of no. ii and iii above if the deceased died intestate and the gross ov the Estate does not Exceed Kes 50,000
a) letter of indemnity
b) Certificate of Summary Administration

NB: Transfer documents to be submitted through a Central Depository Agent (CDA) ie stockbroker or investment bank or custodian



mawinder
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2014 7:16:01 AM
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@urstill1, what a coincidence.
@matoe, thanks for the advise.Will tell him what you have shared and if it goes through, you will get some tea.
urstill1
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2014 7:19:25 AM
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murchr wrote:
urstill1 wrote:
murchr wrote:
Question:

1, If the shares are in custody of KCB, what proof does he have to show that indeed they still exist?

2, If the mother is alive, that would be the best person to follow that up, it will not be a smooth ride for him


That's the problem I'm currently experiencing. My dad left a lady who doesn't understand anything about trading or owning shares in companies. Everytime I talk to her about claiming these things she gets so confused till she thinks that I want to keep everything to myself. I gave up 2 years ago. These days I just watch as the share prices rise yet none of her kids is able to go to a decent school. I concentrate with myself after spending many months talking to her.


Tell her if she doesnt claim them the govt will keep it. Give her some education in the simplest form that she owns KCB and she needs to be sure how much she owns then keep affirming to her that she doesnt need to cash in but make sure that they are in her name.

Do the div cheques come thru the mail?



I have some with me since I'm responsible for almost everything. However, others that were received while I was away have been misplaced.
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