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Credibility of A4 Architect
Binti
#1 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 3:21:56 PM
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Hi Wazua!

Has anyone ever contracted A4 Architect in any of their development?Or know s'meone who has?

I have been keeping an eye on their site and advices on wazua and would like to contract them for a building that i intend to undertake but would prefer to inquire first.

Anyone? How was the outcome? Any advices or leads?

Anxious

Thanks.
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a4architect.com
#2 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:07:53 PM
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@binti, which kind of development are you looking at? maybe i can refer you to an architectural firm that caters for the type of building you require. there are specific types of projects that we dont undertake . its not all type of projects that we usually automatically carry out. if some are not within our type, especially in regards to size, we will gladly refer you to others that can undertake it.

also , our fees are fixed at 6% of construction cost, without negotiation, just in case you decide to work with us.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
popat
#3 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:34:05 PM
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@A4achitec.
@Binti is vetting you and you gladly rush to comment on the very post meant to validate you.Ungengoja kwanza ukaguliweLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
a4architect.com
#4 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 4:43:50 PM
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@popat, construction industry is usually quite capital intensive and very private. i know how serious clientele developers search and hire consultants. no one serious would hire their consultants this way. the highest chances is that @binti's project is not within the scopes of works that i would like to undertake. i have been in this industry for long to understand how serious clientele hold project privacy issues and also source for consultants.
After going through @binti's recent post, just like i had predicted, her project is too small. @binti, call me on 0721410684 i refer you to someone who can help you on your project.

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Hi wazua friends!

I intend to construct a simple house along the Kikuyu Wangige road.

Which place is the most convenient for getting the construction stones?

Is it Ngong(And where exactly in Ngong) or is it Ndarugu?

I appreaciate any info i'd get on this since i have very little experience in construction.
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
poundfoolish
#5 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:18:53 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@binti, which kind of development are you looking at? maybe i can refer you to an architectural firm that caters for the type of building you require. there are specific types of projects that we dont undertake . its not all type of projects that we usually automatically carry out. if some are not within our type, especially in regards to size, we will gladly refer you to others that can undertake it.

also , our fees are fixed at 6% of construction cost, without negotiation, just in case you decide to work with us.


He heee hee.. kama unajenga ka one-two or 3 bedroom Eastalands or syokimau type of places sahau yeye.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:25:23 PM
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@poundfoolish, its not so much as to do with size but the seriousness and ability to comprehend how construction industry works that matters. size of project is just the easiest way to ward off unserious people and save time. @binti is confusing consultancy with construction contracting and as he/she says, they are trully inexperienced in construction, which i would not like to take them up as my client .
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mkenyan
#7 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 5:55:02 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@popat, construction industry is usually quite capital intensive and very private. i know how serious clientele developers search and hire consultants. no one serious would hire their consultants this way. the highest chances is that @binti's project is not within the scopes of works that i would like to undertake. i have been in this industry for long to understand how serious clientele hold project privacy issues and also source for consultants.
After going through @binti's recent post, just like i had predicted, her project is too small. @binti, call me on 0721410684 i refer you to someone who can help you on your project.

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Hi wazua friends!

I intend to construct a simple house along the Kikuyu Wangige road.

Which place is the most convenient for getting the construction stones?

Is it Ngong(And where exactly in Ngong) or is it Ndarugu?

I appreaciate any info i'd get on this since i have very little experience in construction.

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geofreygachie
#8 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 8:15:16 PM
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To avoid back and forth responses.Its better a4architech posts some of his projects and this will pyschologically prepare whoever may think of engaging you.
For example Multiple Hauliers /Coast Hauliers or MCBC have a gallery of cargo /haulage indicating what they have moved from point a to b ,and from that automatically i know i would not approach them to haul for me a box of tomatoes from Nyahururu to MSA.
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, September 02, 2014 8:42:41 PM
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@gachie, i like and enjoy technical interactions n debates here. I would not encourage people to contact me for services from here apart from the occasional free advice. Construction developers know how, where and when to contact me and this is certainly not through such a forum.

when we were starting out in the industry, i used to wonder why older architects shunned individual residential projects. i used to find this kind of snobbish. many years down the line, i find myself in their shoes. after a few years in the industry, its usually not worth the hustle to take up individual residences. its a good way to ensure the younger architects starting out also get clientele.
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Zanze
#10 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2014 3:33:18 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@poundfoolish, its not so much as to do with size but the seriousness and ability to comprehend how construction industry works that matters. size of project is just the easiest way to ward off unserious people and save time. @binti is confusing consultancy with construction contracting and as he/she says, they are trully inexperienced in construction, which i would not like to take them up as my client .



Heh! Who knew having a small project or being inexperienced on a matter meant that one is not serious? I am sure @binti is very serious about building her /his small residential house.
alma
#11 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2014 4:09:40 PM
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This is one confusing thread.

You have someone who wants help from a specific person. The person answers very quickly obviously in order to be in the good books of the person asking for help.

Then about turn. The potential client is in three sentences told they are unprofessional, uneducated, not loaded, not serious and not worthy.

Talk about a vetting process that turned on the vettor.
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bird_man
#12 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2014 5:26:24 PM
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alma wrote:
This is one confusing thread.

You have someone who wants help from a specific person. The person answers very quickly obviously in order to be in the good books of the person asking for help.

Then about turn. The potential client is in three sentences told they are unprofessional, uneducated, not loaded, not serious and not worthy.

Talk about a vetting process that turned on the vettor.


I agree with you Bro. It was rather harsh of A4 to reply in such a manner.
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a4architect.com
#13 Posted : Wednesday, September 03, 2014 5:32:30 PM
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@birdman,@zanze, i already have specific clientele whom am servicing and would not like to add more work. Am however willing to help whoever needs info/guidance/help on construction matters freely on this forum or through email. i am trying to be as polite as possible to @binti's request. am even offering to refer @binti to several others who are more than willing to work with her/him.
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ZZE123
#14 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 8:53:19 AM
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#15 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:23:47 AM
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ZZE123 wrote:
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i am also smiling. the gentleman doth protest too soon.

i was at the mbuzi where the resident architect gave a talk on construction and pooling together ideas...it would be good to hear some constructive feedback from anyone was taken up business with him, not in a name and shame manner but constructively. granted he may not want 'small time' work but wazua is not only about people who build individual units.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:43:57 AM
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@butterflyke, you can be sure no serious investor or consultant will use an open forum to discuss construction business. thats why my engagement here in wazua is limited to only advisory etc. construction issues are very capital intensive and all players , both developers and consultants, cant use such fora to discuss such. Thats why i easily dismissed @binti's request as not serious. I have repeated again and again that i would not encourage or entertain anyone to consult me for their residential house projects since this is not my niche of consultancy. however, am available and ready to answer anyone's querries for free here on wazua.
Do not expect any serious developer to ever air their issues on a public forum like this. Construction issues are either resolved through Architectural Association of Kenya arbitration or through litigation but not in forums. Only jokers expect to vet consultants using open forums coz this is the surest way for them to loose out on their investments. Serious investors know how this is done.
As much that i like contributing my 2 cents here on wazua, it should be noted that confidentiality of the projects that i undertake is usually kept quite high and my clientele base does not constitute individual clientele, and i would not encourage anyone here to contact me regarding such projects. My online availability to discuss here in wazua should not be taken as a request for all and sundry to come to me for consultation servcices.
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butterflyke
#17 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 9:55:01 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@butterflyke, you can be sure no serious investor or consultant will use an open forum to discuss construction business. thats why my engagement here in wazua is limited to only advisory etc. construction issues are very capital intensive and all players , both developers and consultants, cant use such fora to discuss such. Thats why i easily dismissed @binti's request as not serious. I have repeated again and again that i would not encourage or entertain anyone to consult me for their residential house projects since this is not my niche of consultancy. however, am available and ready to answer anyone's querries for free here on wazua.
Do not expect any serious developer to ever air their issues on a public forum like this. Construction issues are either resolved through Architectural Association of Kenya arbitration or through litigation but not in forums. Only jokers expect to vet consultants using open forums coz this is the surest way for them to loose out on their investments. Serious investors know how this is done.


bwana architect, you point is made but you're missing another point - one about feedback....but wazuans are not serious investors so we shall leave it as it is smile
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#18 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 10:02:57 AM
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@butterflyke, anyone with the feedback is ofcourse free to give it. All i know from experience is that serious investors have a particular way of engaging . I dont know how and why but do not expect a serious investor to openly discuss their project, whether positively or negatively, on an open forum. Even if you were to wait for 10 years, no one will post here about their project. In this case, if there were any postivie or negative issues that @binti wanted, then she looses out because she will not get any response. Serious developers know where such info is usually kept, at registration of architects offices or courts. the only other parties that can discuss projects in open forums will most likely be from hearsay, who can mislead someone seeking this info eg by giving too much positive or negative info which is not substantiated.

What i can assure you and @binti is that in the many years that i have been in practice, there has been zero complaints of any kind that i know of pertaining to the construction industry and you can rest assured that even after 10 more years, there will be no complaint from anyone.
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rryyzz
#19 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 10:09:05 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@birdman,@zanze, i already have specific clientele whom am servicing and would not like to add more work. Am however willing to help whoever needs info/guidance/help on construction matters freely on this forum or through email. i am trying to be as polite as possible to @binti's request. am even offering to refer @binti to several others who are more than willing to work with her/him.


Thats fine @a4architect. Many times its good to show humility; you should have first let others respond to @Binti. It is not obvious that she would have opted for your services. Assuming she did, you would take that opportunity to have a discussion with her and if the job is too "small" for you, refer her to someone else.

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limanika
#20 Posted : Thursday, September 04, 2014 10:10:32 AM
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I request that we now close this thread. It would be unprofessional 4 anyone to give feedback on another professional in an open forum like this and also a4 has stated he may not take up the assignment. The thread is thus 'Moot '
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