The issue is about wealth distribution.

That is the number one economic problem is the system. There is need to change the system.

You see capitalist says: "make money the way you want". The capitalist system, gives unconditional rights to an individual. Take Compound interest for example, when you can't pay a loan, it keeps increasing with no mercy!!

That is why the gap between the rich and the poor keeps increasing.

Capitalist says wealth is ONLY distributed to factors of production these are:
1. Interest to the investor/entrepreneur.
2. Wages to the labourer
3. Rent to the Land owner.

Now the big question
What about the poor person who didn't take part in production? What about the poor youth who has no job? What about the poor cripple who has no hands or legs? What about the sick poor person?

THE POOR PERSON IS LEFT OUT IN THE EQUATION.

Look at alternative systems
1. For example Islamic economic system. There are rights for everyone. First, the Primary right for those who take part in production i.e. investor, worker, and landlord. Secondly, the Secondary right for those did not take part in production, and this is the Poor man.

2. For example the Socialist system. Nobody owns.

So Islamic system in between. It gives right to all, individual and society. It allows business and ownership of property, but on a reasonable basis, not the level of the greedy politicians in Capitalist system!

That is why @guru always says:
- if you are Muslim, then you give 2.5% Zakat
- if you are not Muslim, then you give 2.5% as tax.

And this is 2.5% of what remains after expenses. Not what you earn!

If you compare this with 30% we are taxed by non-Islamic countries, it is crazy!

I agree with you murchr on the issue of not needing a degree to succeed.

But here the subject is THOUGHT leadership.

When we have a gov't going around talking about creating jobs which basically means that "I will only employ Kalenjins from my village" then we don't have thought leadership. We have kissing assery.

The reason why India became so good in medical tourism is the gov't took a proactive position. They agreed that their doctors were all in the USA and Uk so why not bring them back with cool policies like no taxation as long as you employ someone.

In Kenya the policy makers are killing the small guy in Kariokor. He has nothing. No credit, no taxation breaks, no infrastructure. NOTHING.

He's called a HUSTLER. It's supposed to be a term of endearment. But its actually a noose around his neck as he watches his corrupt TENDERPRENUERS make all the money.

Though leadership in creating employment is Gov't policy. It was last seen in Moi's gov't.

Let me tell you a story. It's going to be long.

Someone decided to start a business in Kenya to build batteries. You know batteries are just positive and negative etc.

This someone could not get past go at the bank, at the gov't office even with his parents.

As he was doing that, someone decided to create a stupid website where people share pictures and update what they are doing. The gov't gave him tax breaks, he got a loan and now we have Facebook.

You can have all the ideas of implementation you want. But if there's no one to guide you or help you as you are meandering through the murk of business, you shall fail.

That is why we have Hon. Kambi as Education minister, yet he confesses to having been a maid who can't spell.

He had the structures he needed. Most young Kenyan entreprenuers don't have it.

That's the reason they voted for the "hustler". Kumbe all he did was increase taxes.

@Kambi is Labor Monister!


But I get your point, the red-tape is too much!

I'm looking right now at a website. Unajua kila mtu na mambo yake.

The website is called Jumia.co.ke

This website was started in Nigeria. Before there was Jumia there was Mama Mikes.

Mama Mikes is a great website but they don't and cannot compete with Jumia. Why? No money.

In the ICT business, a lot of great ideas have died simply because there was no gov't policy such as giving tax breaks to those who invest in start up businesses.. It's happening all over the world.

So now in Kenya we have great entreprenuers online, but they can't do shit.

Nigeria has now overtaken Kenya as the Silicon Savannah. We worked in the meantime very hard to increase taxes accross the board.

We dumped Ndemo to become a newspaper analyst. Can you imagine I said that? I who belives that most of his polices were upus. But he had policies at least.

In the ICT fieled right now in Kenya, who the hell is the Cabinet Secretary in that fieled? i don't even know him.

We are killing entreprenuership with the expectation that gov't will create jobs. The work of gov't is not to create jobs but to give an environment for entreprenuers to succeed so that they can create jobs.

Jumia, OLX, Facebook, Starbucks, KFC, Subways, and soon Walmart are not supposed to be gov't policy. They will kill everyone. But we shall call ourselves......developed.

Murchr after losing each and every argument with me on this forum you should have learned to speak when you know what you are saying.

Facebook got financing simply because if I have money I can invest in a startup and get a tax break.

Now tell me the gov't policy for anyone in this country to invest in any start up. Even mama mboga. In fact investing in a kiosk is basically asking for Kidero askaris to beat you up every Friday.

We are hear talking about gov't policy. Wewe uko about who owns.

The gov't policy on investments in skewed towards taking money from anyone who can make money. TaX, TAX, tax, and taX.

Not build the entreprenuer who will actually CREATE the jobs. That's the biggest difference between Kenya and the developed world.

Have you ever tried to get a loan when you don't have a job in Kenya? We know that the bank officer will get 50% off his loan. This fellow will be posting on wazua how business is bad. He's a remote farmer so he's bound to fail.

BUT

The real entreprenuer can't go to the bank as he only has an idea. No bank in Kenya will ever finance him. No Venture Capitalist will finance him as he can't get some of his money back through tax breaks.

Unfortunately for you murchr, you vote on tribal issues. So this issue passes you by.

I'm very simple. Gov't is not supposed to create jobs. They are supposed to make it easy for an entreprenuer to create jobs.

I know its a hard concept to grasp but we shall be having this conversation next year. As you beat up on Alba think very hard about the job that these civil servants are doing.

I can survive without gov't handing out truffles. I can't survive if the gov't lets KPLC shut down my business every 9am to 4pm.

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I also suggest that you consider why your explanation is similar to the 'sum' of the two links I have provided.

?????What do u mean?

Give an example of a 'proud' country that consumes all that it produces.
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@tycho. You lost me. In my post did i talk of such a country? That consumes all that it produces?

I'm talking about us Kenyans as a people, being able to produce efficiently,being well informed,assessing the consequences of our choices/consumption [local vs foreign] and the government doing its part in enabling business within our borders and without.

As a people we should be in a position to take pride in KENYAN/ MADE IN KENYA.

Ask South Koreans. 대한 민국 최고. Loosely translated theirs [South Korean] is the best. From food to culture to technology.

Poor you!