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Angelica _ann wrote:Wendz wrote:tycho wrote:Euge wrote:tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? Because they will possibly buy their freedom and continue with thier robbing/killing spree. Remember a mom and 2 daughters that were killed by a suspect coz she gave evidence against him? He had threatened to kill her if he got bail and he went right ahead and did it. So extra judicial killings are reasonable before the law because the laws and institutions are incapable of upholding the law? I'd say, in certain circumstances, like the cases of terrorism suspects, yes it is reasonable and necessary. Yes and that is why we have mob 'justice' @angelina do you know there are cases of mistaken mob-justice? Even I watched that clip about those prostitutes robbing people, and when you resist, she screams and say you are the one trying to harrass her. @wendz so how do you tell a guilty terror suspect? As @jaggernaut says, many times police are 'experts in killing those planning to commit a crime", but not the one committing a crime or after he has committed a crime, it's always before. Clearly, many innocent Kenyans very vulnerable to extra judicial killings. We should follow the law. Then execute.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Angelica _ann wrote:Wendz wrote:tycho wrote:Euge wrote:tycho wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:So since thugs have killed less we need to let them room the streets to kill more in order to be at par with the police.
By the way police are allowed to kill under some circumstances ........ Reasonable force is something that's part of the law. So I will ask you in other terms, why is it reasonable for police to kill armed robbers and suspects even when they don't resist arrest? Because they will possibly buy their freedom and continue with thier robbing/killing spree. Remember a mom and 2 daughters that were killed by a suspect coz she gave evidence against him? He had threatened to kill her if he got bail and he went right ahead and did it. So extra judicial killings are reasonable before the law because the laws and institutions are incapable of upholding the law? I'd say, in certain circumstances, like the cases of terrorism suspects, yes it is reasonable and necessary. Yes and that is why we have mob 'justice' If the answer is 'yes', then the law is vague and ambiguous and in fact, there's no law and no thieves and no murderers OR all are thieves and murderers as R.D. Laing would put it. I live in Kibera and I have seen mob justice. I have even participated in it, and I can tell you it's about revenge, hatred and projection of anger. Not justice and truth.
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Which newspaper report should we believe? The Daily NationQuote:Gigiri Officer Commanding Police Division Vitalis Otieno said that the suspects were shot dead by officers from the Special Crime Prevention Unit (SCPU) who had been trailing them for several hours before catching up with them at the petrol station.
The detectives had information that the armed suspects were also trailing a white lorry that was full of gas cylinders.
However, the lorry was stopped by a traffic police officer at the junction of Limuru Road and the UN Avenue. The officer got into the lorry and directed the driver to park at the Kobil petrol station, not knowing that the vehicle was being trailed.
The suspects followed them there, parked next to the pump and then asked the attendant to fuel their car for Sh500.
The pump attendant, Mr Clement Kibet, told Nation.co.ke that after fuelling the car, the men gave him the cash but immediately three cars drove into the station.
The officers took position and ordered the occupants to get out of the car and put everything they had on the ground. Though the Gigiri police boss said there was an exchange of fire, eyewitnesses said that the suspects were shot while lying down. Or The Star:Quote:Police have gunned down three suspected gangsters outside Gigiri Java house and recovered two pistols and six rounds of ammunition from them.
The three had exchanged fire with the police who had pursued the would be robbers for hours before they were cornered near Kenol petrol station in Gigiri. They exchanged fire for more than five minutes before they were subdued.
Gigiri CID boss Philip Kandie said the gangsters were trailed by the Special Crime Unit officers from the city centre. They are suspected of planning a robbery in the affluent Gigiri area.
Police said the three, with other gang members, had earlier carjacked a gas delivery lorry in Rwaka before jumping into a Toyota Allion and headed fro Gidiri where they were killed.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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In other news.... Clerics condemn shooting of colleague suspected by police to be a robber. They are very lucky they weren't all gunned down and lived to tell their story. C&PRELIGIOUS leaders from Nyanza have criticised police over Monday's beating of a pastor and shooting of his colleague. Police intercepted a car used by four pastors at Katito on claims they were suspected robbers. Addressing the press as Kendu Bay police station on Tuesday, Bishop Winnie Owiti, chairperson of the Kisumu Clergy Fellowship, said police from Kendu Bay beat up Bishop Bishop Jonah Obonyo of Cathedral of Praise of Nairobi and three others on claims they were suspected robbers. She said during the incident at Katito trading centre, Bishop George Atanga was shot in the stomach and admitted to the Gendia Mission Hospital. Obonyo was later transferred to the Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Referral Hospital in Kisumu. “We condemn the shooting of our colleague in the strongest terms possible. Beating as a way of dealing with suspects is old-fashioned, especially in this era of new constitution that guarantees everyone the right to life,” Owiti said. She said the pastors were paraded at Kendu Bay police station before the police and the public for identification, but all passed the test. Owiti said Atanga was travelling to Katito for a crusade after an ordination ceremony in Ndhiwa, when police ambushed them. "He was scheduled to travel back to Kisumu then Nairobi the same evening," she said. Rachuonyo South subcounty police boss Patricia Nasio said the four "suspects" were driving in a vehicle, which was alleged to have been ferrying thieves who robbed an M-Pesa agent of Sh10,000 at Chaani centre, Kendu Bay on Monday.
"Police stopped the car and when the suspects were ordered out for identification, one of them started running away and that is when the shooting occurred," she said.- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...gue#sthash.H9VJ2eUI.dpuf
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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[quote=jaggernaut]In other news.... Clerics condemn shooting of colleague suspected by police to be a robber. They are very lucky they weren't all gunned down and lived to tell their story. C&PRELIGIOUS leaders from Nyanza have criticised police over Monday's beating of a pastor and shooting of his colleague. Police intercepted a car used by four pastors at Katito on claims they were suspected robbers. Addressing the press as Kendu Bay police station on Tuesday, Bishop Winnie Owiti, chairperson of the Kisumu Clergy Fellowship, said police from Kendu Bay beat up Bishop Bishop Jonah Obonyo of Cathedral of Praise of Nairobi and three others on claims they were suspected robbers. She said during the incident at Katito trading centre, Bishop George Atanga was shot in the stomach and admitted to the Gendia Mission Hospital. Obonyo was later transferred to the Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Referral Hospital in Kisumu. “We condemn the shooting of our colleague in the strongest terms possible. Beating as a way of dealing with suspects is old-fashioned, especially in this era of new constitution that guarantees everyone the right to life,” Owiti said. She said the pastors were paraded at Kendu Bay police station before the police and the public for identification, but all passed the test. Owiti said Atanga was travelling to Katito for a crusade after an ordination ceremony in Ndhiwa, when police ambushed them. "He was scheduled to travel back to Kisumu then Nairobi the same evening," she said. Rachuonyo South subcounty police boss Patricia Nasio said the four "suspects" were driving in a vehicle, which was alleged to have been ferrying thieves who robbed an M-Pesa agent of Sh10,000 at Chaani centre, Kendu Bay on Monday.
"Police stopped the car and when the suspects were ordered out for identification, one of them started running away and that is when the shooting occurred," she said.- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...ue#sthash.H9VJ2eUI.dpuf[/quote] What are the odds of shooting someone who's running away from you in the stomach?
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tycho wrote:[quote=jaggernaut]In other news.... Clerics condemn shooting of colleague suspected by police to be a robber. They are very lucky they weren't all gunned down and lived to tell their story. C&PRELIGIOUS leaders from Nyanza have criticised police over Monday's beating of a pastor and shooting of his colleague. Police intercepted a car used by four pastors at Katito on claims they were suspected robbers. Rachuonyo South subcounty police boss Patricia Nasio said the four "suspects" were driving in a vehicle, which was alleged to have been ferrying thieves who robbed an M-Pesa agent of Sh10,000 at Chaani centre, Kendu Bay on Monday.
"Police stopped the car and when the suspects were ordered out for identification, one of them started running away and that is when the shooting occurred," she said.- See more at: http://www.the-star.co.k...ue#sthash.H9VJ2eUI.dpuf[/quote] What are the odds of shooting someone who's running away from you in the stomach? This should be a wake up call for those supporting extra judicial killings. Next time the victim could be your pastor, brother, son, wife, father etc etc.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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@jaggernaut one thing you will never see me do is support the Kenya Police shooting anyone. These people are worse than thugs. I have seen it with my own eyes. I have been called a criminal by these people. So there is no way in hell I can ever support the Kenya Police shooting people ati they have an "operation" Only someone stupid can support a Kenyan Policeman shooting anyone. Mine is when a citizen is approached by these thugs. Let us have the choice to carry weaponry. Since the Kenya Police is too busy looking for dinded fiekos, they surely cannot protect us. So lets protect ourselves. Extra Judicial Killings by cops is a show of weakness and there's no way I can support a weak gov't. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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alma wrote:@jaggernaut one thing you will never see me do is support the Kenya Police shooting anyone.
These people are worse than thugs. I have seen it with my own eyes. I have been called a criminal by these people. So there is no way in hell I can ever support the Kenya Police shooting people ati they have an "operation"
Only someone stupid can support a Kenyan Policeman shooting anyone.
Mine is when a citizen is approached by these thugs. Let us have the choice to carry weaponry.
Since the Kenya Police is too busy looking for dinded fiekos, they surely cannot protect us. So lets protect ourselves.
Extra Judicial Killings by cops is a show of weakness and there's no way I can support a weak gov't. At least we have some converging points  And I always admire your knowledge in many issues.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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We also have rogue cops too. These should also be dealt with ruthlessly. As for thugs, no mercy. 99% of those killed by cops are thugs. The judicial system cannot even remove 20% of these from our streets, because of the frustrating investigative procedures and circumstances that dont allow for any evidence to be collected. Cops will tell you, they would rather deal with an armed thug on the spot-dispatch him. There is a general decline in rogue-cop incidents, and the service needs further merciless clean-up. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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