''Police Challenged the Criminal to surrender, but the criminals opened fire, shooting indiscriminately. Police responded, gunning down all 5 criminals''

Which newspaper report should we believe?

The Daily Nation



Or The Star:

[quote=jaggernaut]In other news....Clerics condemn shooting of colleague suspected by police to be a robber.
They are very lucky they weren't all gunned down and lived to tell their story.


C&P

RELIGIOUS leaders from Nyanza have criticised police over Monday's beating of a pastor and shooting of his colleague.

Police intercepted a car used by four pastors at Katito on claims they were suspected robbers.

Addressing the press as Kendu Bay police station on Tuesday, Bishop Winnie Owiti, chairperson of the Kisumu Clergy Fellowship, said police from Kendu Bay beat up Bishop Bishop Jonah Obonyo of Cathedral of Praise of Nairobi and three others on claims they were suspected robbers.
She said during the incident at Katito trading centre, Bishop George Atanga was shot in the stomach and admitted to the Gendia Mission Hospital.

Obonyo was later transferred to the Jaramogi Oginga Odinga Referral Hospital in Kisumu.

“We condemn the shooting of our colleague in the strongest terms possible. Beating as a way of dealing with suspects is old-fashioned, especially in this era of new constitution that guarantees everyone the right to life,” Owiti said.

She said the pastors were paraded at Kendu Bay police station before the police and the public for identification, but all passed the test.

Owiti said Atanga was travelling to Katito for a crusade after an ordination ceremony in Ndhiwa, when police ambushed them.

"He was scheduled to travel back to Kisumu then Nairobi the same evening," she said.

Rachuonyo South subcounty police boss Patricia Nasio said the four "suspects" were driving in a vehicle, which was alleged to have been ferrying thieves who robbed an M-Pesa agent of Sh10,000 at Chaani centre, Kendu Bay on Monday.

"Police stopped the car and when the suspects were ordered out for identification, one of them started running away and that is when the shooting occurred," she said.
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What are the odds of shooting someone who's running away from you in the stomach?

@jaggernaut one thing you will never see me do is support the Kenya Police shooting anyone.

These people are worse than thugs. I have seen it with my own eyes. I have been called a criminal by these people. So there is no way in hell I can ever support the Kenya Police shooting people ati they have an "operation"

Only someone stupid can support a Kenyan Policeman shooting anyone.

Mine is when a citizen is approached by these thugs. Let us have the choice to carry weaponry.

Since the Kenya Police is too busy looking for dinded fiekos, they surely cannot protect us. So lets protect ourselves.

Extra Judicial Killings by cops is a show of weakness and there's no way I can support a weak gov't.

We also have rogue cops too. These should also be dealt with ruthlessly. As for thugs, no mercy. 99% of those killed by cops are thugs. The judicial system cannot even remove 20% of these from our streets, because of the frustrating investigative procedures and circumstances that dont allow for any evidence to be collected. Cops will tell you, they would rather deal with an armed thug on the spot-dispatch him.

There is a general decline in rogue-cop incidents, and the service needs further merciless clean-up.

So what are you proposing? A majority of the cops are not thugs, but we have A FEW rogue ones that need to be flushed out.

Justice has failed before, it can fail again. I hope you know what happened in Central province during the last govt-when the mungiki menace became malignant. Life was unbearable my friend. Judiciary was useless. Judges were shitting their pants whenever those snuff-sniffing dogs were brought to court. People became hopeless, Govt was seething with anger. Nothing was working.

Cops were being killed, leaders threatened, extortion and illegal taxes were the order of the day....ukikataa ISIS pap!

Then the stupid boys openned fire on Michukis Kangema home....... and that was the last straw!

They were elaborately picked from the villages......99.9% of them were hardcore adherents, since lots of intelligence and community policing was used to nab them. Mungiki kaput.

Dawa ni hiyo.

Simonkabz you have a view that the majority of Kenyan cops go to kesha every Friday.

My experience is different.

Until the day when my experience and 99% of Kenyans experience is changed, then you are are talking upus.

A policeman has no standing in law to shoot anyone willy nilly.

Thus far as per your posts they have dispatched 30 this month. UNLAWFULLY.

So what we have here is people who are breaking the law shooting people who are breaking the law. Call me Kiash but that's just the fact.

As long as a policeman goes against the law, then he too is a criminal.

In my experience which I hope you can change, 99% of the cops I have met have an unlawful gene in them. They are actually criminals and should be dispatched just like their bretheren who were on the video on the first post.

Let's change the law for me to arm myself from CRIMINALS.

NO. Mr. Kenyan Kiash

You will not twist and turn on this one.

I am the one who's practical. I am the one who has seen a rogue traffic cop take 20 bob. I am the one who slept in a cell because I did not give hongo while my brother did.

I am the one who's being honest and truthful.

On this forum you will find posts of Kenyans who have seen the REALITY of Kenyan cops. They would rather give the cop 200 bob than spend a night in the cells for not wearing a seatbelt only to see the charge sheet say they were drunk on Alcoblow.

You are the one who wants to pretend that the Kenyan policeman is Mother Teresa on high heels.

Apana....Nimekataaa.

The Kenyan policeman is by and large a corrupt, bribe taking non-English speaking and matatu terrorizing fellow.

I am not throwing stones. I am saying it as it is. You are the one pretending just like the policeman that "we exchanged fire and we shot him in the head and then interrogated him before he died from a heart attack" police spokesman. Even when writing these statements does anyone do simple editing at a nursery school level?

There are a few things you can lie to Kenyans about but the Holiness of a Kenyan policeman is not one of them.

So when you shoot me tomorrow all I can pray is that my family knows me well enough not to believe a word coming out of a policeman who at 9 am was taking 50 bob notes from matatus on the highway.

And to answer your twisted question. I want a gun to kill CRIMINALS before they kill me and mine. A criminal is someone who is against the law. Read the definition

Now tell me about this policeman who has never taken a bribe. I would really like to know him.

If it is bribes you are talking about, well, mimi siko huko. Majority of people in government take bribes anyway, so I dont know where bribes come in this debate. By rogue cops I mean real rogue cops-criminal cops who hire out guns, commit robberies, murder etc.

You are not able to sustain a line of thought without deviating....mambo ya 200bob bribe thats personal choice, and many kenyans give them willingly, having made REALISTIC assessment of their predicament. You forget that the bribes themselves serve to instill discipline, as they are a punitive measure just like instant fines.....this we can argue another day as you call me names.

One thing I dont like about you is hypocrisy and pretense. You want to kill thugs as who? As in police shouldnt do it, but you should, because you are God or what is this double speak all about?? Somebody help me understand what he is trying to say?

Anyway, let me stop there coz I have seen you blowing fuses over impossibilities like expecting holy politicians and stuff like that, you desire thinks that are either impractical, impossible or very hard to implement.

For a long time I have been wondering what you do for a living. Now I can see you are actually a comedian and show up at Churchill show on Thursdays.

I'm a hypocrite for saying that a bribe is a crime? Or for you thinking that the paying of bribes is an actual law enforcement tool that everyone should embrace?

I can see that in your studies you have learned how to use words such a REALISTIC, HYPOCRITE etc. The only problem I can see is that you don't know what they mean.

Let me explain.

A policeman who takes a bribe is a CRIMINAL. A thug who removes a gun and points it at you is a CRIMINAL.

That is not being a Kiash, that's just a fact of law and humanity.

They are one and the same just wearing different clothing.

Now I'm still waiting for you to tell me of that one Policeman in Kenya who has not taken a bribe. If you want me to explain kinaga ubaga, that one Policeman in Kenya who's not a criminal.

Take your time. Some of us are so old we can afford to be patient.

Only the corrupted think that going to heaven is impossible, impractical and very hard to implement. I thought you said that there are honest policemen a few sentences ago? Now you have decided otherwise.

How's that for being confused?