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Perceived decay of things around us
alma
#21 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:16:31 AM
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I don't see what Jubilee gov't has to do with this.

The people giving food to the animals are not from Jubilee. They are just stupid people. The people supposed to be caring for that property are not Jubilee, they are simply unpatriotic humans( i did not say Kenyans).

I always find it so funny how Kenyans looking for jobs worldwide are actually hired because of their hard working and ethical nature. Those in Kenya on the other hand are a strange strange breed.
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#22 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:44:52 AM
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newfarer wrote:
it doesn't worry anyone that doctors in mombasa have not received their July pay?


Enemies of devolution are these county governments themselves. How come the medics have been paid in some counties and others not? Is it true monies meant for salaries were diverted to other use? Is it a ploy to consolidate their referendum nonsense and gain sympathy from an ignorant public?

How I wish we just gave all these monies to CDF (at least 20%........I used to see CDF working and bearing fruits. In Gatanga, despite having a useless mpig, we still feel the CDF more than the Muranga County funds. Just imagine if the 4b Muranga county got went to the Muranga constituencies CDF kitty....less recurrent expenditure, more grassroot reach etc.

This county shit is a pure joke. If you want to know more, take a ride to Thika town. I feel the same way Kiash feels when refering to Kenya.

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maka
#23 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:45:06 AM
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alma wrote:
I don't see what Jubilee gov't has to do with this.

The people giving food to the animals are not from Jubilee. They are just stupid people. The people supposed to be caring for that property are not Jubilee, they are simply unpatriotic humans( i did not say Kenyans).

I always find it so funny how Kenyans looking for jobs worldwide are actually hired because of their hard working and ethical nature. Those in Kenya on the other hand are a strange strange breed.


To most it's a normal behaviour,the norm,you get employed and that's the culture you find at your workplace you get sucked in and the rest is history same old,same old...it's really frustrating.
I have noticed that we now have footbridge marshals coz we needs to be sherphaded every single time,think we should also have garbage marshals since we ant stop throwing taka taka left right and centre.
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simonkabz
#24 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:51:33 AM
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alma wrote:
I don't see what Jubilee gov't has to do with this.

The people giving food to the animals are not from Jubilee. They are just stupid people. The people supposed to be caring for that property are not Jubilee, they are simply unpatriotic humans( i did not say Kenyans).

I always find it so funny how Kenyans looking for jobs worldwide are actually hired because of their hard working and ethical nature. Those in Kenya on the other hand are a strange strange breed.


You are right in as far as Kenyans are concerned, but I blame Jubilee for the mess over there. That place is badly neglected. It doesnt take rocket science to collect gabbage, in fact, just 2 casual employees can do that on a daily basis. The tourism docket is being poorly run.

The same way I always wonder why our beaches are so so dirty.....how much would it cost to employ casuals to collect and dispose all the dirt on a regular basis?
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AlphDoti
#25 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:02:24 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
masukuma wrote:
What stood out was just how many domestic tourists were there. It was a huge number since we had to queue for a couple of minutes to pay. I did not see a white face in sight. As soon as we went in I noticed people of somali extraction also being quite present.

@masukuma did you even read this article? And if you read, did you really understand?

Right there the writer is betraying his own rotten kind of attitude. With this kind of tribalism ati “Somali”… Why Somali in particular? Why didn’t he says Luhyia, or Kale, or Kamba, or Kikuyu, or Masai? How does he go ahead and write about KWS?

@alph,
no. 1. i forgot to mention that the dude who was feeding the Monkey was of somali origin! taking photos akipatia tumbili chakula! To be fair the other guys taking photos while feeding the girrafe were not somalis! so cancel out hiyo statement but pia Sikukuwa nimewahi ona wasomali wengi hivyo kwa game park/orphanage before.

@simonKabz... hiyo place imekuwa MBAYA!!!

@masukuma okay sawa. I just don't like tribalism. I'm not a Somali, I'm one of the other 41 Kenyan tribes. But I think belonging to a tribe is good, it gives identity, it is for knowing each, and it is for variety, but being tribal is one of the decay I dislike.


Why blow a fuse when Somalis are mentioned but never point a finger when okuyu-bashing is going on? You are more of a hypocrite than anything else.

@simonkabz I defend all tribes. But I have defended all tribes at one point in time, for example Kikuyu here.


But when I see they defend their tribes illogically, I condemn the cronies too. Even if I have to attack my own tribe. Because I'm not Somali myself. But you find that the majority tribes like Luhyia, or Kikuyu, or Kalenjin, or Kamba, etc are already have their defenders from their own, the cronies here, even before I say anything. So I mostly realize I have nothing else to add.

But I defend the weak and the oppressed more because no one seem to come in and defend. I defend those attacked by some people, those ignorant people who come out thinking others shouldn't be Kenyans. They're ignorant of the fact that we all arrived in Kenya from different regions.

But that does not mean I cannot critisize Somalis when they are wrong. I have critisized individual Somalis when they are wrong here
tycho
#26 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:29:54 AM
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This is a systems problem. For example, people feed the animals because it's part of human psychology to do such things, and the zoo design is conducive for such behavior.

Or the litter is all around because oftenly litter is more than the number of bins in a place and the collection of garbage isn't the main activity in the zoo. For example, @masukuma couldn't stop looking at the Somalis feeding the monkeys to pick litter.

Such problems exist in other places. Even in America. The solutions are created according to optimal models. Not ego bashing, and blaming Jubilee or whoever, or whatever. Though of course optimal solutions involve cultural shifts.
Muriel
#27 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:00:08 AM
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tycho wrote:
This is a systems problem. For example, people feed the animals because it's part of human psychology to do such things, and the zoo design is conducive for such behavior.

Or the litter is all around because oftenly litter is more than the number of bins in a place and the collection of garbage isn't the main activity in the zoo. For example, @masukuma couldn't stop looking at the Somalis feeding the monkeys to pick litter.

Such problems exist in other places. Even in America. The solutions are created according to optimal models. Not ego bashing, and blaming Jubilee or whoever, or whatever. Though of course optimal solutions involve cultural shifts.



Masukuma talks about a "Perceived decay of things around us".

"Perceived" is consistent with his experience as a scientist but why did he go to see Somalis and litter in a park? Are both not already abundant in Eastleigh?

"Misuse" of senses, science, indeed misuse of systems is a problem. Use of right tools for the right job is essential in providing solutions, for example use of bins for litter or right personal attitudes for right situations.

masukuma
#28 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:27:55 PM
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harrydre wrote:

The day I heard the KWS director brag that poaching had declined yet we had still lost hundreds of elephants and rhinos, I knew sisi kwisha!!

I reckon that poaching has decline since we have fewer elephants and rhinos! not because its more difficult to hunt them down based on external actions by KWS.
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Fyatu
#29 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:45:06 PM
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newfarer wrote:
it doesn't worry anyone that doctors in mombasa have not received their July pay?



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#30 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 4:03:49 PM
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A bit of nostalgia...JKIA resort club , on Mombasa road, now in the Machakos county, bordering Nairobi. Way back, the resort place was a great hang-out place for a weekend afternoon/evening, family or friends. About 5 years ago, the place got run down, beyond redemption. Some seriously 'chummed' jammas bought out the place and pulled down everything , the culture and rich heritage of the place . And now an ultra-modem shopping mall has sprung up-The Gateway mall, changing the landscape and , giving a very beautiful front-door to machakos country from Nairobi......

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#31 Posted: : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:41:02 PM
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masukuma wrote:
a couple of weeks back - i decided to take out my whole family to the animal orphanage - my son is about 3.5 years old and I reckoned he would get quite excited about seeing all these large animals which he had seen only in photos or as drawing in cartoons and books. so we went to KWS and took paid then went in. What stood out was just how many domestic tourists were there. It was a huge number since we had to queue for a couple of minutes to pay. I did not see a white face in sight. As soon as we went in I noticed people of somali extraction also being quite present. We went around and we came to the monkey cage/place where i found a couple of people feeding the monkeys and posing for photos! it struck me as odd since from the first time I did my first national park visit I remember the instructions DON'T FEED THE ANIMALS. Why were these people doing this? did they not read? do they not know that they could be harming the animal? It struck me as odd. Last saturday, I decided to take out the famo to the Safari walk. It has always been a favourite place to visit ever since i brought myself to Nairobi. I was there when rangers was open, then it closed then it opened again... but the last time I was there was possibly 2 years ago. I decided it would be a nice place to take a visitor to the country 'ajionee wanyama'. first stop... Rangers Restaurant - shock on me... it closed... I looked like an idiot - but I guess i could have googled before that. so we decide to eat at that small restaurants next to the safari walk gate and it had terrible service! from taking orders to getting food wrong and late to a number of small small issues here and there. I took it in stride since 'TIA' and went into the safari walk... kujionea wanyama and I noticed things were a bit run down... the water is not clear... not sure even if the fish that were in there are alive. People were as usual feeding animals and taking photos/selfies. I went to the boardwalk and huge section of it was closed off (it was creaky the last time I was there). I looked down an saw lots and lots of litter... majuala all over... I was to take my son to the small boys room and found it locked and decided liweliwalo - we shall use the ladies. all this time something was running at the back of my head .. the question... what happened? this was usually a nice place to visit... now we have lots of people around, the facilities are terrible, they seemed not to be well maintained? what happened? so later that evening as I was pondering on the 'decay' a number of thoughts crossed my mind... could it be that we don't have that many foreign tourists so... we don't need to keep the standard i was used to? did Julius Kipngetich's leaving have anything to do with the terrible state of affairs I had witnessed? THEN IT SUDDENLY HIT ME! I was 'old' and if my son was of age I would tell him - 'you know during my days...x and y and z were fine. e.t.c. And it made me relate to my folks complaining about how education these days is useless/not hard, how carey francis and his maths did blah blah blah. how university education is useless these days and 'quality' has gone down e.t.c. It hit me that if the past is anything to go by the situation will never be 'better'! what we consider decay or may seem like decay from the experienced eyes will always occur as we add the numbers of people who use these institutions. our cultural values will now pop-up in public. Jumping of queues in classy restaurants e.t.c. as ordinary kenyans get more disposable income.


Are you trying to explain the bad situation as you being more sophisticated? Yet you quote The toilets are not working, part of the nature trail is closed.
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masukuma
#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 6:46:24 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:

Are you trying to explain the bad situation as you being more sophisticated? Yet you quote The toilets are not working, part of the nature trail is closed.

nope... I am explaining the bad situation as being part of life... we don't scale well.... our parents complained about it... i have started complaining about it
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harrydre
#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:19:48 PM
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masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:

The day I heard the KWS director brag that poaching had declined yet we had still lost hundreds of elephants and rhinos, I knew sisi kwisha!!

I reckon that poaching has decline since we have fewer elephants and rhinos! not because its more difficult to hunt them down based on external actions by KWS.


yes but not in the numbers he was talking about. If that happened elsewhere, the head would resign. We should not be loosing that many wildlife annually, that's total failure.
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urstill1
#34 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:47:27 PM
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harrydre wrote:
masukuma wrote:
harrydre wrote:

The day I heard the KWS director brag that poaching had declined yet we had still lost hundreds of elephants and rhinos, I knew sisi kwisha!!

I reckon that poaching has decline since we have fewer elephants and rhinos! not because its more difficult to hunt them down based on external actions by KWS.


yes but not in the numbers he was talking about. If that happened elsewhere, the head would resign. We should not be loosing that many wildlife annually, that's total failure.


The right statistic for comparing decline in poaching over the years should be ratio (or %) of the killed animals to the popn at the beginning of the year and of course adjusting for natural births and deaths. Otherwise, all these KWS guys are saying doesn't make sense to someone who sat in a classroom with an aim of comprehending what was being taught.
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#35 Posted : Tuesday, August 19, 2014 11:28:18 PM
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These wazuans.What's stopping you from building a a middle class resort in nice place and make it enviable.

Since we can't afford 5 star facilities and the average ones are not well maintained,I suggest the following;

Resort Name: Waza
Managers- red/orange posters
Finance- That guy who loves graphs.
Entertainers(stage dancers)-Swenani and group..
Musica in Charge-Alma and Kingfisher
Kitchen- Me so you can eat boiled Cabs/Brocolli for breakfast.
Gym/Sauna/Pool - Big chick/Washiku/Masukush
Security Gate cctv--Mawinder
Health club/In house doc- Rankaz
Therapist/Relaxation techniques -Tycho

vacant positions to be filled as resort expands.

Solutions solutions is what.smile






urstill1
#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:08:31 AM
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kysse wrote:
These wazuans.What's stopping you from building a a middle class resort in nice place and make it enviable.

Since we can't afford 5 star facilities and the average ones are not well maintained,I suggest the following;

Resort Name: Waza
Managers- red/orange posters
Finance- That guy who loves graphs.
Entertainers(stage dancers)-Swenani and group..
Musica in Charge-Alma and Kingfisher
Kitchen- Me so you can eat boiled Cabs/Brocolli for breakfast.
Gym/Sauna/Pool - Big chick/Washiku/Masukush
Security Gate cctv--Mawinder
Health club/In house doc- Rankaz
Therapist/Relaxation techniques -Tycho

vacant positions to be filled as resort expands.

Solutions solutions is what.smile









Financing. Niko ndani
simonkabz
#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:35:51 AM
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kysse wrote:
These wazuans.What's stopping you from building a a middle class resort in nice place and make it enviable.

Since we can't afford 5 star facilities and the average ones are not well maintained,I suggest the following;

Resort Name: Waza
Managers- red/orange posters
Finance- That guy who loves graphs.
Entertainers(stage dancers)-Swenani and group..
Musica in Charge-Alma and Kingfisher
Kitchen- Me so you can eat boiled Cabs/Brocolli for breakfast.
Gym/Sauna/Pool - Big chick/Washiku/Masukush
Security Gate cctv--Mawinder
Health club/In house doc- Rankaz
Therapist/Relaxation techniques -Tycho

vacant positions to be filled as resort expands.

Solutions solutions is what.smile


I expect lots of welding works...........Niko na kijana......
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