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The CURSE of Ham....
AlphDoti
#11 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 11:00:35 PM
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The Biblical curse of ham story is the source of black slavery.
Muriel
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:08:51 AM
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masukuma wrote:
<throwing_a_spanner_into_the_works>what if I told you that Noah never existed?</throwing_a_spanner_into_the_works> the story is great! lot's of lessons but it's quite unlikely that animals would have been kept in a boat above the highest mountain in water and survived the thin air. but it's not a pointless story to tell.


What spanner?

What was the highest mountain and how high was it?
Muriel
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:13:49 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Caramba wrote:
masukuma wrote:
<throwing_a_spanner_into_the_works>what if I told you that Noah never existed?</throwing_a_spanner_into_the_works> the story is great! lot's of lessons but it's quite unlikely that animals would have been kept in a boat above the highest mountain in water and survived the thin air. but it's not a pointless story to tell.


Quite mind-boggling. Whereas I believe that Noah existed, I wonder how he was able to fit all those Animals into the Ark. And how did the Hyena curb it's hunger pangs while sleeping beside the goat?

let's assume that the hyena hung around for 40 days without food and after that.. it waited until all antelopes had multiplied before starting to eat. Leopards, cheetahs, lions... ngojeni... huyu mtoto ni wangu! ngojeni next year!

A few misconceptions about the bible
1. it's not a single book! it's a library of books written over a number of centuries/millenia. it's a work of literacy. do you think paul meant that his letter sent to Philemon via epaphroditus would end up in the canon? he may have not even remembered the words of that particular letter coz he wrote so many to so many people.
2. that the bible is an accurate historical book and it's contents are timeless. the writers extracted materials for their cultural context

That said - I am a christian and I will read the stories of Noah to my children.


Raise the bar! You guys have it too low - on scavengers.

I read some lions went on a diet and "refused" to eat someone. Yes.

Mukiri
#14 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 8:44:31 AM
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This question was addressed on the last Apologetics



Proverbs 19:21
masukuma
#15 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:39:55 AM
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I think most of our problems lie in thinking that all the stories in the bible happened as is written. that there were some robe wearing people millennia ago that did exactly as it is written and only as it is written.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Muriel
#16 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 11:08:23 AM
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I think most of our problems are not solved by our inability to give answers, any answers, to our simple questions like names and height of highest mountains.

This is hardly "science".
Muheani
#17 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:41:16 PM
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harrydre wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
First you must believe that everybody came through that lineage. A very tall order if you ask me


Which begs the question on whether the great floods actually destroyed all life outside the Ark! ( I tend to think we still have Cain's descendants roaming the streets )



Where I come from..we were told he is Called Mutheca Itu. (mutheca correctly pronounced mutheshasmile )..yaaani a very tall guy piecing the sky

So one of the fears we had was roaming around at night alone lest you meet mutheca itu.
masukuma
#18 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 12:49:00 PM
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Muheani wrote:
harrydre wrote:
Um Sayala wrote:
First you must believe that everybody came through that lineage. A very tall order if you ask me


Which begs the question on whether the great floods actually destroyed all life outside the Ark! ( I tend to think we still have Cain's descendants roaming the streets )



Where I come from..we were told he is Called Mutheca Itu. (mutheca correctly pronounced mutheshasmile )..yaaani a very tall guy piecing the sky

So one of the fears we had was roaming around at night alone lest you meet mutheca itu.

yeah... we used to be told the same. that in the evening you could actually see him if you got home late. I think it's a narrative that came the 'Wandering Jew' legend possibly brought to us by the catholics.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Muriel
#19 Posted : Tuesday, August 12, 2014 4:19:31 PM
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Faith.

If I cannot be enlightened on the mountains and their heights (hence altitude that could not be survived by the floating survivors), then I am being told to take by faith that mountains were unsurvivably high hence floating and living above their heights is not probable so doubts on their submergence as a "reason".

Faith.

Why this particular faith? Why not other faith?

Faith.
symbols
#20 Posted : Wednesday, August 13, 2014 8:25:14 AM
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Muriel wrote:
I think most of our problems are not solved by our inability to give answers, any answers, to our simple questions like names and height of highest mountains.

This is hardly "science".


...give us one free miracle and we'll explain the restLaughing out loudly
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