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Black Folk and Fear!
masukuma
#21 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:17:29 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here

We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?


Fear isn't the only reason for an 'African' not to 'do a Vasco da Gama. Then again we must have a common agreement on what 'African' means. And what time spans are involved.

indeed you are right... by the way it's not only 'africans'.. coz I don't know of any red indian who goes bag packing into the dense african forests just for kicks! the problem (if any) is much more a cultural difference than a race thing. What do you grow up being told? is risking life and limb appreciated in your society or are you scolded when you try? it's much deeper. Tafakari hayo.


Firstly, I can understand the fear that's gripping 'me' as an 'African'. The things I have heard and read, seen done, about Africa. But then the question of what one must make for himself is and has always been open. Regardless of lessons.

Freedom entails choice. To do or not to do. If you look at the history of Man you'll find a balance of goodness in all cultures.

I got a clearer view of the African by reading H.M Stanley's 'Through the dark continent'. Clash of values, and similarity in essence.

Vasco da Gama used a Ptolemaic Atlas. Was/is Ptolemy an African?

What's fear? How do humans become fearful? Can one learn not to fear? Can an African love life, himself, 'others', equally? That, ironically, is all that matters. It's the greatest one can do. Has the African done this?

Stanley says it over and over, the Africans were mostly so eager for brotherhood. Even when they marveled at the 'white Man'.

He(Livingstone) narrates an encounter with the people of 'Uhyeya' "a tribe who are decidedly lower in humanity than their 'ingenious' neighbors." People who ate all flesh except that of dogs. People who were rumored to be cannibals. Yet these people "were admirable for their readiness with which they supplied all our wants, voluntarily offering themselves, as guides to Uvinza, the next country we had to traverse."

Africans had all they needed. Even the most 'primitive'.

The Mayan Calender is still alive, it's going deep into the 'future'. Or the wisdom of the 'Aborigines'. So much Afrikana!







I agreed with you first time!
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Mtu Biz
#22 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:18:39 PM
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Africans are fearless when it matters not just for kicks.

Check out my boys from narok..

Sola Scriptura


Mtu Biz
#23 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:20:27 PM
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But that ride... eish!! someone put a youtube link to that.
Sola Scriptura


masukuma
#24 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:28:57 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:

Africans are fearless when it matters not just for kicks.

Check out my boys from narok..


keep telling yourself that! tunaogopa vitu innocuous kama maji! those Maasai men live this thing through out - ni kama wewe kuelewa ng'ombe if you are a farmer but how easy would it be for those maasai men to dip their toes into some bit of discomfort? We have the right stuff but we have been raised to fear everything including politics. Siku za moi made most of us fear public criticism of garment. The cause of the fear is gone but we have institutionalised it - kama zile monkeys on the other thread.
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#25 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:42:13 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here

We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?


Fear isn't the only reason for an 'African' not to 'do a Vasco da Gama. Then again we must have a common agreement on what 'African' means. And what time spans are involved.

indeed you are right... by the way it's not only 'africans'.. coz I don't know of any red indian who goes bag packing into the dense african forests just for kicks! the problem (if any) is much more a cultural difference than a race thing. What do you grow up being told? is risking life and limb appreciated in your society or are you scolded when you try? it's much deeper. Tafakari hayo.


Firstly, I can understand the fear that's gripping 'me' as an 'African'. The things I have heard and read, seen done, about Africa. But then the question of what one must make for himself is and has always been open. Regardless of lessons.

Freedom entails choice. To do or not to do. If you look at the history of Man you'll find a balance of goodness in all cultures.

I got a clearer view of the African by reading H.M Stanley's 'Through the dark continent'. Clash of values, and similarity in essence.

Vasco da Gama used a Ptolemaic Atlas. Was/is Ptolemy an African?

What's fear? How do humans become fearful? Can one learn not to fear? Can an African love life, himself, 'others', equally? That, ironically, is all that matters. It's the greatest one can do. Has the African done this?

Stanley says it over and over, the Africans were mostly so eager for brotherhood. Even when they marveled at the 'white Man'.

He(Livingstone) narrates an encounter with the people of 'Uhyeya' "a tribe who are decidedly lower in humanity than their 'ingenious' neighbors." People who ate all flesh except that of dogs. People who were rumored to be cannibals. Yet these people "were admirable for their readiness with which they supplied all our wants, voluntarily offering themselves, as guides to Uvinza, the next country we had to traverse."

Africans had all they needed. Even the most 'primitive'.

The Mayan Calender is still alive, it's going deep into the 'future'. Or the wisdom of the 'Aborigines'. So much Afrikana!







I agreed with you first time!


Let's have more agreement. Fear of an activity is natural to All humans.
tycho
#26 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:53:06 PM
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Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?

masukuma
#27 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 4:00:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?


wewe wacha excuses... panda boat!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
Mtu Biz
#28 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 4:23:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:
[quote=Mtu Biz]
Africans are fearless when it matters not just for kicks.

Check out my boys from narok..


keep telling yourself that! tunaogopa vitu innocuous kama maji! those Maasai men live this thing through out - ni kama wewe kuelewa ng'ombe if you are a farmer but how easy would it be for those maasai men to dip their toes into some bit of discomfort? We have the right stuff but we have been raised to fear everything including politics. Siku za moi made most of us fear public criticism of garment. The cause of the fear is gone but we have institutionalised it - kama zile monkeys on the other thread.


Chief wazungus have had these types of rides since the 1800s throwing an african who has only seen there rides on tv, whose father and grandfather have never even imagined such a thing and comparing his reaction to a mzungus reaction is not comparing like for like.

Sola Scriptura


tycho
#29 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 4:47:58 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?


wewe wacha excuses... panda boat!


Hahahaha! Boat? Nipate Uhuru park deep end.
Swenani
#30 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 5:00:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?


wewe wacha excuses... panda boat!


Hahahaha! Boat? Nipate Uhuru park deep end.


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