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Black Folk and Fear!
Swenani
#16 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 2:05:03 PM
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mkenyan wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here
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We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?

we only know about those two coz their stories were told, written or recorded. now how many africans do you think ventured beyond their comfort zone but never got their deeds recorded? pretty many i believe. how many say sailed to other continents and settled there or came back but their tales were never recorded and or kept? there are however several stories of africans handling their fears well - courage is not the absence of fear....(add your favourite phrase there).


They say that its Africanswho first sailed to USA Africans discovered America before Columbus
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masukuma
#17 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 2:16:51 PM
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Swenani wrote:
mkenyan wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here
....
We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?

we only know about those two coz their stories were told, written or recorded. now how many africans do you think ventured beyond their comfort zone but never got their deeds recorded? pretty many i believe. how many say sailed to other continents and settled there or came back but their tales were never recorded and or kept? there are however several stories of africans handling their fears well - courage is not the absence of fear....(add your favourite phrase there).


They say that its Africanswho first sailed to USA Africans discovered America before Columbus

that is why I agreed with Tycho on the time span of 'Africans'.... but we are talking about TODAY'S AFRICANS or maybe ... the last 500 years. Today we seem to be frozen by fear.... fear of this... fear of that..... I know kyuks who can not go to western/nyanza province since they fear witchcraft.... fear fear fear fear fear! some of the fears are of pretty innocuous things. But i guess it has everything to do with 'knowing' and accepting that 'knowing REAL dangers' is a much better than ignorant fear of imaginary things.
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harrydre
#18 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:02:00 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
I have laughed, my ribs are aching too. Because I can just understand what this dude is talking about!

You see, I won't say I fear, and I won't say I don't fear. Deep down I know this thing has been done to comply to physics by our engineer @impunity.

But, that feeling in the stomach is what kills me.

I know the thing won't crash just like that. It's like a plane. It only crash with some reason out of our control... pilot error, natural disaster, or some political reason (read shooting down or terrorist attack or CIA hijacking etc).

Again, I think out parents have to blame. Or do I say our environment?
We were raised being scared everyday, from all corners... from grandmother ogre stories, the xyz and the giant stories etc

Nobody told us these were imaginary stuff.
So we grew up having these crazy notions in our heads.

But the mzungu kid was even playing "real" virtual games at age 2 and he knows these are just games!



I would say it has to be the environment. You see a traditional masaai for instance will grow up surrounded by lions and get used to them with nothing to fear. You try to put @kiash or his white friends under the same environment!

These rides have been known to get stuck in the air, or some folks have fallen to their deaths so there is every reason to fear.

PS: I would like to know where that ride is located. I don't even think Disney has such.

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masukuma
#19 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:13:02 PM
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harrydre wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
I have laughed, my ribs are aching too. Because I can just understand what this dude is talking about!

You see, I won't say I fear, and I won't say I don't fear. Deep down I know this thing has been done to comply to physics by our engineer @impunity.

But, that feeling in the stomach is what kills me.

I know the thing won't crash just like that. It's like a plane. It only crash with some reason out of our control... pilot error, natural disaster, or some political reason (read shooting down or terrorist attack or CIA hijacking etc).

Again, I think out parents have to blame. Or do I say our environment?
We were raised being scared everyday, from all corners... from grandmother ogre stories, the xyz and the giant stories etc

Nobody told us these were imaginary stuff.
So we grew up having these crazy notions in our heads.

But the mzungu kid was even playing "real" virtual games at age 2 and he knows these are just games!



I would say it has to be the environment. You see a traditional masaai for instance will grow up surrounded by lions and get used to them with nothing to fear. You try to put @kiash or his white friends under the same environment!

These rides have been known to get stuck in the air, or some folks have fallen to their deaths so there is every reason to fear.

PS: I would like to know where that ride is located. I don't even think Disney has such.


utashangaa sana na akina @kiash's newly acquired family


these folks are crazy sometimes.... umewahi ona youtube videos of people doing stupid and dangerous things? it's quite likely it's some white folk. look at this!



even if you understood the science behind it -how many of you would be part of this group?
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tycho
#20 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:15:55 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here

We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?


Fear isn't the only reason for an 'African' not to 'do a Vasco da Gama. Then again we must have a common agreement on what 'African' means. And what time spans are involved.

indeed you are right... by the way it's not only 'africans'.. coz I don't know of any red indian who goes bag packing into the dense african forests just for kicks! the problem (if any) is much more a cultural difference than a race thing. What do you grow up being told? is risking life and limb appreciated in your society or are you scolded when you try? it's much deeper. Tafakari hayo.


Firstly, I can understand the fear that's gripping 'me' as an 'African'. The things I have heard and read, seen done, about Africa. But then the question of what one must make for himself is and has always been open. Regardless of lessons.

Freedom entails choice. To do or not to do. If you look at the history of Man you'll find a balance of goodness in all cultures.

I got a clearer view of the African by reading H.M Stanley's 'Through the dark continent'. Clash of values, and similarity in essence.

Vasco da Gama used a Ptolemaic Atlas. Was/is Ptolemy an African?

What's fear? How do humans become fearful? Can one learn not to fear? Can an African love life, himself, 'others', equally? That, ironically, is all that matters. It's the greatest one can do. Has the African done this?

Stanley says it over and over, the Africans were mostly so eager for brotherhood. Even when they marveled at the 'white Man'.

He(Livingstone) narrates an encounter with the people of 'Uhyeya' "a tribe who are decidedly lower in humanity than their 'ingenious' neighbors." People who ate all flesh except that of dogs. People who were rumored to be cannibals. Yet these people "were admirable for their readiness with which they supplied all our wants, voluntarily offering themselves, as guides to Uvinza, the next country we had to traverse."

Africans had all they needed. Even the most 'primitive'.

The Mayan Calender is still alive, it's going deep into the 'future'. Or the wisdom of the 'Aborigines'. So much Afrikana!






masukuma
#21 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:17:29 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here

We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?


Fear isn't the only reason for an 'African' not to 'do a Vasco da Gama. Then again we must have a common agreement on what 'African' means. And what time spans are involved.

indeed you are right... by the way it's not only 'africans'.. coz I don't know of any red indian who goes bag packing into the dense african forests just for kicks! the problem (if any) is much more a cultural difference than a race thing. What do you grow up being told? is risking life and limb appreciated in your society or are you scolded when you try? it's much deeper. Tafakari hayo.


Firstly, I can understand the fear that's gripping 'me' as an 'African'. The things I have heard and read, seen done, about Africa. But then the question of what one must make for himself is and has always been open. Regardless of lessons.

Freedom entails choice. To do or not to do. If you look at the history of Man you'll find a balance of goodness in all cultures.

I got a clearer view of the African by reading H.M Stanley's 'Through the dark continent'. Clash of values, and similarity in essence.

Vasco da Gama used a Ptolemaic Atlas. Was/is Ptolemy an African?

What's fear? How do humans become fearful? Can one learn not to fear? Can an African love life, himself, 'others', equally? That, ironically, is all that matters. It's the greatest one can do. Has the African done this?

Stanley says it over and over, the Africans were mostly so eager for brotherhood. Even when they marveled at the 'white Man'.

He(Livingstone) narrates an encounter with the people of 'Uhyeya' "a tribe who are decidedly lower in humanity than their 'ingenious' neighbors." People who ate all flesh except that of dogs. People who were rumored to be cannibals. Yet these people "were admirable for their readiness with which they supplied all our wants, voluntarily offering themselves, as guides to Uvinza, the next country we had to traverse."

Africans had all they needed. Even the most 'primitive'.

The Mayan Calender is still alive, it's going deep into the 'future'. Or the wisdom of the 'Aborigines'. So much Afrikana!







I agreed with you first time!
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Mtu Biz
#22 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:18:39 PM
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Africans are fearless when it matters not just for kicks.

Check out my boys from narok..

Sola Scriptura


Mtu Biz
#23 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:20:27 PM
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But that ride... eish!! someone put a youtube link to that.
Sola Scriptura


masukuma
#24 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:28:57 PM
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Mtu Biz wrote:

Africans are fearless when it matters not just for kicks.

Check out my boys from narok..


keep telling yourself that! tunaogopa vitu innocuous kama maji! those Maasai men live this thing through out - ni kama wewe kuelewa ng'ombe if you are a farmer but how easy would it be for those maasai men to dip their toes into some bit of discomfort? We have the right stuff but we have been raised to fear everything including politics. Siku za moi made most of us fear public criticism of garment. The cause of the fear is gone but we have institutionalised it - kama zile monkeys on the other thread.
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tycho
#25 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:42:13 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Let's just say the truth - we fear everything, deep sea diving, living at the coast (tsunamis), flying and roller coasters as seen here

We tend to think we are brave folk but that is just our brain making excuses - do you think a black fellow would have done a columbus or a vasco da gama? heading out to parts unknown not knowing of the edge of the world was actual and they would fall off?


Fear isn't the only reason for an 'African' not to 'do a Vasco da Gama. Then again we must have a common agreement on what 'African' means. And what time spans are involved.

indeed you are right... by the way it's not only 'africans'.. coz I don't know of any red indian who goes bag packing into the dense african forests just for kicks! the problem (if any) is much more a cultural difference than a race thing. What do you grow up being told? is risking life and limb appreciated in your society or are you scolded when you try? it's much deeper. Tafakari hayo.


Firstly, I can understand the fear that's gripping 'me' as an 'African'. The things I have heard and read, seen done, about Africa. But then the question of what one must make for himself is and has always been open. Regardless of lessons.

Freedom entails choice. To do or not to do. If you look at the history of Man you'll find a balance of goodness in all cultures.

I got a clearer view of the African by reading H.M Stanley's 'Through the dark continent'. Clash of values, and similarity in essence.

Vasco da Gama used a Ptolemaic Atlas. Was/is Ptolemy an African?

What's fear? How do humans become fearful? Can one learn not to fear? Can an African love life, himself, 'others', equally? That, ironically, is all that matters. It's the greatest one can do. Has the African done this?

Stanley says it over and over, the Africans were mostly so eager for brotherhood. Even when they marveled at the 'white Man'.

He(Livingstone) narrates an encounter with the people of 'Uhyeya' "a tribe who are decidedly lower in humanity than their 'ingenious' neighbors." People who ate all flesh except that of dogs. People who were rumored to be cannibals. Yet these people "were admirable for their readiness with which they supplied all our wants, voluntarily offering themselves, as guides to Uvinza, the next country we had to traverse."

Africans had all they needed. Even the most 'primitive'.

The Mayan Calender is still alive, it's going deep into the 'future'. Or the wisdom of the 'Aborigines'. So much Afrikana!







I agreed with you first time!


Let's have more agreement. Fear of an activity is natural to All humans.
tycho
#26 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 3:53:06 PM
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Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?

masukuma
#27 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 4:00:09 PM
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tycho wrote:
Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?


wewe wacha excuses... panda boat!
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Mtu Biz
#28 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 4:23:39 PM
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masukuma wrote:
[quote=Mtu Biz]
Africans are fearless when it matters not just for kicks.

Check out my boys from narok..


keep telling yourself that! tunaogopa vitu innocuous kama maji! those Maasai men live this thing through out - ni kama wewe kuelewa ng'ombe if you are a farmer but how easy would it be for those maasai men to dip their toes into some bit of discomfort? We have the right stuff but we have been raised to fear everything including politics. Siku za moi made most of us fear public criticism of garment. The cause of the fear is gone but we have institutionalised it - kama zile monkeys on the other thread.


Chief wazungus have had these types of rides since the 1800s throwing an african who has only seen there rides on tv, whose father and grandfather have never even imagined such a thing and comparing his reaction to a mzungus reaction is not comparing like for like.

Sola Scriptura


tycho
#29 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 4:47:58 PM
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masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?


wewe wacha excuses... panda boat!


Hahahaha! Boat? Nipate Uhuru park deep end.
Swenani
#30 Posted : Monday, August 11, 2014 5:00:36 PM
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tycho wrote:
masukuma wrote:
tycho wrote:
Which of these requires courage; to gain the trust of lions, or to kill them? What makes an act fearless?


wewe wacha excuses... panda boat!


Hahahaha! Boat? Nipate Uhuru park deep end.


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