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Depo Provera linked to HIV
Impunity
#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:09:18 AM
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:35:00 AM
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This is a Pfizer product one of the biggest pharmaceutical companies in the world Sad Sad Sad
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 10:51:57 AM
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This should not surprise anyone. If it does surprise or shock you, take time off and take a barefoot walk in the park.
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They will reveal to you the personal and collective insanity of the human race.
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Impunity
#4 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 11:04:55 AM
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I urge all couples who are active like @Bigchick,@McReggae,@washiku,@sheri and @I-n-I and who want plan their families to use condom and where possible to practice coitus-interruptus!


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#5 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:06:21 PM
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Impunity wrote:
I urge all couples who are active like @Bigchick,@McReggae,@washiku,@sheri and @I-n-I and who want plan their families to use condom and where possible to practice coitus-interruptus!



Good advice @impunity but come talk to the men concerned smile smile smile smile

Impunity
#6 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 12:11:11 PM
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sheri wrote:
Impunity wrote:
I urge all couples who are active like @Bigchick,@McReggae,@washiku,@sheri and @I-n-I and who want plan their families to use condom and where possible to practice coitus-interruptus!



Good advice @impunity but come talk to the men concerned smile smile smile smile



We can demonstrate this to them at a time of their choice, dear dada.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:09:12 PM
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sheri wrote:
Impunity wrote:
I urge all couples who are active like @Bigchick,@McReggae,@washiku,@sheri and @I-n-I and who want plan their families to use condom and where possible to practice coitus-interruptus!



Good advice @impunity but come talk to the men concerned smile smile smile smile


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#8 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 1:36:48 PM
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What kind of research reporting is that?

Is it likely that after getting Depo Jabs, women get more promiscuous? Or does Depo contain traces of HIV virus?

Its like saying that Probox cars cause more accidents without enumerating whether Proboxes are bad cars, or more likely to have bad drivers.

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Impunity
#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:01:56 PM
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kenmac wrote:
What kind of research reporting is that?

Is it likely that after getting Depo Jabs, women get more promiscuous? Or does Depo contain traces of HIV virus?

Its like saying that Probox cars cause more accidents without enumerating whether Proboxes are bad cars, or more likely to have bad drivers.



Me think ni promiscuity, whether jabs contain virus is something that can be confirmed and determined even in a village dispensary lad!
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:03:14 PM
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kenmac wrote:
What kind of research reporting is that?

Is it likely that after getting Depo Jabs, women get more promiscuous? Or does Depo contain traces of HIV virus?

Its like saying that Probox cars cause more accidents without enumerating whether Proboxes are bad cars, or more likely to have bad drivers.



Exactly, @Kenmac! This research is purely hypothetical.

Let's do further research to disprove that warped hypothesis. And if their methodology was to administer DEPO, give condoms and then test for HIV after 6 months, the assumptions are too many and complex to make the results valid and reliable.

Though it is obvious that the higher rates of HIV are due to behavioural reasons and not the DEPO itself. DEPO is the most widely used contraceptive in Kenya since it is cheap and safe.

Behavioural why? A lady will have sex more often when she is sure she cannot get pregnant. The husband will also be more confident and the frequency of intercourse will increase. Women using a contraceptive method may also have multiple sexual partners. Fact: 99% of men and women don't use condoms on every sexual encounter.

Bluntly concluding, DEPO = HIV, is just scientifically inept. Those researchers should know better. No wonder WHO is on their case. What are the alternatives for poor women in Africa? Withdrawal, BTL, Pills, Implants, IUCDs? Condoms are a hard sell.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 2:37:16 PM
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Bykhovets wrote:
kenmac wrote:
What kind of research reporting is that?

Is it likely that after getting Depo Jabs, women get more promiscuous? Or does Depo contain traces of HIV virus?

Its like saying that Probox cars cause more accidents without enumerating whether Proboxes are bad cars, or more likely to have bad drivers.



Exactly, @Kenmac! This research is purely hypothetical.

Let's do further research to disprove that warped hypothesis. And if their methodology was to administer DEPO, give condoms and then test for HIV after 6 months, the assumptions are too many and complex to make the results valid and reliable.

Though it is obvious that the higher rates of HIV are due to behavioural reasons and not the DEPO itself. DEPO is the most widely used contraceptive in Kenya since it is cheap and safe.

Behavioural why? A lady will have sex more often when she is sure she cannot get pregnant. The husband will also be more confident and the frequency of intercourse will increase. Women using a contraceptive method may also have multiple sexual partners. Fact: 99% of men and women don't use condoms on every sexual encounter.

Bluntly concluding, DEPO = HIV, is just scientifically inept. Those researchers should know better. No wonder WHO is on their case. What are the alternatives for poor women in Africa? Withdrawal, BTL, Pills, Implants, IUCDs? Condoms are a hard sell.



Baseless research and reporting. This is more of behavioral rather than scientific finding, period. Those in the group that don't use depo are constrained in their sexual frequencies and fear of getting pregnant than the group that is using depo.

Perhaps its the way condom manufacturing companies want to drive up their sales!
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 4:46:54 PM
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"Depo Provera Banned"-Njonjo. I say this headline when i was learning to read newspapers. Its only recently that i got to know its not the English version of "caitani Mutharabaini"
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 30, 2014 5:15:00 PM
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Pillager wrote:
"Depo Provera Banned"-Njonjo. I say this headline when i was learning to read newspapers. Its only recently that i got to know its not the English version of "caitani Mutharabaini"


Hahahaha!smile smile
Remember then gov used to ban almost everything they did'nt understand, including a play called "Muntu"!
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#14 Posted : Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:38:25 AM
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Impunity wrote:

Ati Dr nani?d'oh!

My take, If not HIV then Cancer or some other autoimmune disease. Why play around with hormones?

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#15 Posted : Sunday, August 03, 2014 5:01:39 PM
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Impunity wrote:



It is true..... This has been published in one of the most authoritative journals on earth 'NATURE MEDICINE' since 2009.
In a nutshell, what makes humans progress to AIDS but not out distant cousins (non human primates) is immune activation. Depo provera is very potent agent in immune activation. ALL WOMEN SHOULD STICK TO ORAL CONTRACEPTIVES.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, August 03, 2014 6:40:51 PM
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BGL wrote:
Impunity wrote:



It is true..... This has been published in one of the most authoritative journals on earth 'NATURE MEDICINE' since 2009.
In a nutshell, what makes humans progress to AIDS but not out distant cousins (non human primates) is immune activation. Depo provera is very potent agent in immune activation. ALL WOMEN SHOULD STICK TO ORAL CONTRACEPTIVES.
Bgl Inc.

SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) is between 30k and 75k years old. HIV is less than 40 years old we still have.... 30,000 - 40 years to get to the point at which monkeys are.... give or take a couple of years! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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Impunity
#17 Posted : Monday, August 04, 2014 9:32:33 AM
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masukuma wrote:
BGL wrote:
Impunity wrote:



It is true..... This has been published in one of the most authoritative journals on earth 'NATURE MEDICINE' since 2009.
In a nutshell, what makes humans progress to AIDS but not out distant cousins (non human primates) is immune activation. Depo provera is very potent agent in immune activation. ALL WOMEN SHOULD STICK TO ORAL CONTRACEPTIVES.
Bgl Inc.

SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) is between 30k and 75k years old. HIV is less than 40 years old we still have.... 30,000 - 40 years to get to the point at which monkeys are.... give or take a couple of years! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


I dont think this is a laughing matter especially for people like you who cant practice coittus-interruptus or too small to fit a rubber!!

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you
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#18 Posted : Monday, August 04, 2014 10:55:09 AM
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BGL wrote:
Impunity wrote:



It is true..... This has been published in one of the most authoritative journals on earth 'NATURE MEDICINE' since 2009.
In a nutshell, what makes humans progress to AIDS but not out distant cousins (non human primates) is immune activation. Depo provera is very potent agent in immune activation. ALL WOMEN SHOULD STICK TO ORAL CONTRACEPTIVES.
Bgl Inc.


Still doesn't answer how Depo causes HIV.
If the study reported that Depo accelerates the progression of HIV to AIDS, your answer would make sense.

Thinking loud: Does Depo cause HIV? If two HIV negative women,one on Depo and the other on IUD,are exposed to HIV, does the one on Depo stand a higher chance to contract the virus?...if this is true, what mode of planning has the lowest rates of HIV infection? Why?
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#19 Posted : Monday, August 04, 2014 1:27:55 PM
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Impunity wrote:
masukuma wrote:
BGL wrote:
Impunity wrote:



It is true..... This has been published in one of the most authoritative journals on earth 'NATURE MEDICINE' since 2009.
In a nutshell, what makes humans progress to AIDS but not out distant cousins (non human primates) is immune activation. Depo provera is very potent agent in immune activation. ALL WOMEN SHOULD STICK TO ORAL CONTRACEPTIVES.
Bgl Inc.

SIV (Simian Immunodeficiency Virus) is between 30k and 75k years old. HIV is less than 40 years old we still have.... 30,000 - 40 years to get to the point at which monkeys are.... give or take a couple of years! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


I dont think this is a laughing matter especially for people like you who cant practice coittus-interruptus or too small to fit a rubber!!

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

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