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Malaysian aircrash again!!!!!!!!!
Impunity
#181 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 3:52:47 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Two Ukrainian Su-25s downed near the Ukraine-Russia border. Pilots ejected safely.............was this an attempt to prove presence of the BUKs?


At what height were they chot at?
If below FL200 then hapo hakuna story, even a grunedi can be hurled that far

But again who shot them? This could have been an orchestrated shooting by Ukrainian gaarmant in order to fix the pro-Moscow separatists.
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#182 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:11:33 PM
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Impunity wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Two Ukrainian Su-25s downed near the Ukraine-Russia border. Pilots ejected safely.............was this an attempt to prove presence of the BUKs?


At what height were they chot at?
If below FL200 then hapo hakuna story, even a grunedi can be hurled that far

But again who shot them? This could have been an orchestrated shooting by Ukrainian gaarmant in order to fix the pro-Moscow separatists.


Not clear. On CNN and here........
http://www.kyivpost.com/...ing-heats-up-357547.html
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Matoe
#183 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:23:54 PM
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U.S. Intelligence No Closer to Pinning MH17 Downing on Russia

Five days after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was shot down over eastern Ukraine, U.S. intelligence officials are still not certain who fired the missile that felled the doomed airliner, nor have they conclusively linked the attack to Russian military forces, according to senior intelligence officials.
poundfoolish
#184 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:27:28 PM
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Goodness gracious mother of all none sense on earth..?

Why do we speculate on matters with emotions based on our local political perceptions of perceived international enemies, or for that matter allies?

The poor flight was brought down by Ukranian rebels. The commander tweets, he tweets when he bring down a plane or score some military advantage.. He did, when this plane went down and deleted the tweet, when it was evident what happened.

Why would Ukraine let a civilian plane fly all the way in their air space then do a shoddy job of shooting it down where Russia can spy on their fighter jets? Then post pics of a BUK being transported with the mistake of showing a town's billboard far from the border (kwani ni Kimaiyo na Ole Lenku incharge of the coverup?)

apart from just the western govts being dishonest, they are answerable to their citizens, and with Obama (a black man in the white house) if the USA or any western ally had anything to do with this. It would have leaked by now and the poor Negro would be facing an impeachment. same goes for Cameron, he is not so popular back in Britain.
The Ukrainians can't to do it because the backlash from fatigued Western allies would be harsh.

Or twisting this thing to implicate the West because they are squeezing our damn banana republic makes people feel good and tickles our fancy?

Anyway if it makes some of us sleep well then go right ahead. lack of sleep can lead to hallucinations and such like brain conditions.
ecstacy
#185 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 4:57:04 PM
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The Dutch military plane carrying bodies from Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crash lands in Eindhoven..
Impunity
#186 Posted : Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:10:10 PM
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Another plane crash just occurred huko Taiwan, 45 souls gone.
SAD week!!!!!!
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#187 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:49:37 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Goodness gracious mother of all none sense on earth..?

Why do we speculate on matters with emotions based on our local political perceptions of perceived international enemies, or for that matter allies?

The poor flight was brought down by Ukranian rebels. The commander tweets, he tweets when he bring down a plane or score some military advantage.. He did, when this plane went down and deleted the tweet, when it was evident what happened.

Why would Ukraine let a civilian plane fly all the way in their air space then do a shoddy job of shooting it down where Russia can spy on their fighter jets? Then post pics of a BUK being transported with the mistake of showing a town's billboard far from the border (kwani ni Kimaiyo na Ole Lenku incharge of the coverup?)

apart from just the western govts being dishonest, they are answerable to their citizens, and with Obama (a black man in the white house) if the USA or any western ally had anything to do with this. It would have leaked by now and the poor Negro would be facing an impeachment. same goes for Cameron, he is not so popular back in Britain.
The Ukrainians can't to do it because the backlash from fatigued Western allies would be harsh.

Or twisting this thing to implicate the West because they are squeezing our damn banana republic makes people feel good and tickles our fancy?

Anyway if it makes some of us sleep well then go right ahead. lack of sleep can lead to hallucinations and such like brain conditions.


Poundfoolish,

I read and read your comment because it sounded familiar. I took my time and teased my brain and my keyboard till I found it out and remembered it.

Have you ever been aware of a certain fallacy called Ad Hominem?

It is any attempt to discredit a view by calling attention to the character, actions or personal circumstances of those who hold it rather than the reasoning they provide in support of it.

But since you do not know for certain my local political affiliations I can hazard to dance with you without that baggage.

Muriel
#188 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:06:01 AM
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poundfoolish wrote:
Goodness gracious mother of all none sense on earth..?

Why do we speculate on matters with emotions based on our local political perceptions of perceived international enemies, or for that matter allies?

The poor flight was brought down by Ukranian rebels. The commander tweets, he tweets when he bring down a plane or score some military advantage.. He did, when this plane went down and deleted the tweet, when it was evident what happened.

Why would Ukraine let a civilian plane fly all the way in their air space then do a shoddy job of shooting it down where Russia can spy on their fighter jets? Then post pics of a BUK being transported with the mistake of showing a town's billboard far from the border (kwani ni Kimaiyo na Ole Lenku incharge of the coverup?)

apart from just the western govts being dishonest, they are answerable to their citizens, and with Obama (a black man in the white house) if the USA or any western ally had anything to do with this. It would have leaked by now and the poor Negro would be facing an impeachment. same goes for Cameron, he is not so popular back in Britain.
The Ukrainians can't to do it because the backlash from fatigued Western allies would be harsh.

Or twisting this thing to implicate the West because they are squeezing our damn banana republic makes people feel good and tickles our fancy?

Anyway if it makes some of us sleep well then go right ahead. lack of sleep can lead to hallucinations and such like brain conditions.


Poundfoolish,

So some individual in some white house would be facing an impeachment if it leaked that a western ally had anything to do with the killing of some hundreds of civilians because they are answerable to their citizens.

Has any individual from some white house ever faced probe (in congress, senate, Hauge etc) after it became public knowledge that he and western allies occassioned the unwarranted death of hundreds (lets make it equal with ukraine) of civilians (lets say in Iraq)?

That particular check and balance you are relying on to buttress your confidence in the narrative as fronted by "West" is very weak. Remove your trust from it at once.

So why would Ukraine do a (shoddy) job of shooting near proximity to Russian spy zones? Why would they post ole lenku-like responses in cover up?

Well, are those not the questions they are being asked? Have they answered them? Or rebutted them?

ecstacy
#189 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:39:24 PM
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Seriously..now Algerian flight #AH5017 missing shortly after take off from West Africa.
Wainadi
#190 Posted : Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:50:14 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
Seriously..now Algerian flight #AH5017 missing shortly after take off from West Africa.

Pray From Burkinafaso to Algiers, loss of communication?
Its all good.
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