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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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The twisted story of Ukraine............First, the West interfered with the internal affairs of a state that Russia had so much interest. With the fallout and consequences of this initial interference, now it is made to look (or whatever) that Russia is interfering. I would love to see the faces of those who started the protests. Anyone with pics or videos? I will not take any position on the downing of the Malaysian jetliner, but I know a certain superpower that I can never trust. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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McReggae wrote:I still hold and believe that the rebels with the help of Russia brought down the plane but sometimes it's too much from the western media, mara castigating the rebels for being disrespectful by not loading the bodies of the victims into refrigerated trains, when the rebels did this by cutting some of the parts of the plane using powers saws as some of the bodies were wedged into the plane parts now the same western media complains about interference with the evidence. agree, the rescuers had to move the bodies before decomposition set in and that meant moving parts of the plane, whether it was meant to conceal evidence, thats another case lakini the bodies had to be moved.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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 TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Quote:If you know your plane is going to crash, just cover yourself in passports and you will walk away unscathed TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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How news changeNBCNews wrote:The United States has found no direct link between the Russian government and the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last week, three senior intelligence officials said Tuesday.
The officials repeated their belief that pro-Russian separatists fired the missile that took out the jetliner over Ukraine, killing 298 people, but they said they could not say definitively that the separatists did it.
“There’s not going to be a Perry Mason moment,” one U.S. official said. “We don’t know who pulled the trigger.” The White House stressed that it was not backing off what President Barack Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry and U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power have said for days — that Russia provided training and support for the separatists who probably shot down the plane, and therefore bore some responsibility.
Instead, the intelligence officials were “just saying that we don’t know if Russians pulled the trigger,” one administration official said So what evidence was the media talking about? This is after the harsh exchange at the UNMeanwhile (Reuters) wrote: - The European Union threatened Russia on Tuesday with harsher sanctions over Ukraine that could inflict wider damage on its economy following the downing of a Malaysian airliner, but it delayed action for a few days.
Efforts to forge a united front were hampered by a French announcement that the planned delivery of a warship to Moscow would go ahead despite U.S. and British pleas to halt it.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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murchr wrote:How news changeNBCNews wrote:The United States has found no direct link between the Russian government and the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 last week, three senior intelligence officials said Tuesday.
The officials repeated their belief that pro-Russian separatists fired the missile that took out the jetliner over Ukraine, killing 298 people, but they said they could not say definitively that the separatists did it.
“There’s not going to be a Perry Mason moment,” one U.S. official said. “We don’t know who pulled the trigger.” The White House stressed that it was not backing off what President Barack Obama, Secretary of State John Kerry and U.N. Ambassador Samantha Power have said for days — that Russia provided training and support for the separatists who probably shot down the plane, and therefore bore some responsibility.
Instead, the intelligence officials were “just saying that we don’t know if Russians pulled the trigger,” one administration official said So what evidence was the media talking about? This is after the harsh exchange at the UNMeanwhile (Reuters) wrote: - The European Union threatened Russia on Tuesday with harsher sanctions over Ukraine that could inflict wider damage on its economy following the downing of a Malaysian airliner, but it delayed action for a few days.
Efforts to forge a united front were hampered by a French announcement that the planned delivery of a warship to Moscow would go ahead despite U.S. and British pleas to halt it.
I am a pacifist. I am not pro military but I know of one military I have grown to particularly detest. The one that throws its weight around. There is one I am ambivalent to. Simply because they have not fabricated evidence e.g. vials of "weapons of mass destruction" and exhibited them in UN Assemblies etc. They have posed some questions to be answered. These ought not to be too hard for the other side to answer since they are always right.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Maswala nyeti haya.....Questions raised by Russian Generals on the downed Jetliner http://rt.com/news/17449...crash-russia-questions/
Quote: 5. On the day of the crash Kiev intensified Kupol-M1 9S18 radar activity, key BUK system components. Why?
“Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.” Quote: 6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?
“There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.”
“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.”
“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.” Quote: 8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?
“I’d like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems – unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia,” said Kartopolov.
“For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.” Quote:9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it? TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,333 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:I still hold and believe that the rebels with the help of Russia brought down the plane but sometimes it's too much from the western media, mara castigating the rebels for being disrespectful by not loading the bodies of the victims into refrigerated trains, when the rebels did this by cutting some of the parts of the plane using powers saws as some of the bodies were wedged into the plane parts now the same western media complains about interference with the evidence. Of what use will it be for Russia to down a passenger aircraft? You should talk about separatists and not mention Russia in the same sentence please; it could have a mistake downing or intentional! Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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So now we can believe what Russia (army) says as gospel truth but avoid what the Western media says because their governments have lied to us before..
It is a good thing that stupidity is not infectious like a flu or TB. but i must add it is contagious.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,333 Location: Masada
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simonkabz wrote:Maswala nyeti haya.....Questions raised by Russian Generals on the downed Jetliner http://rt.com/news/17449...crash-russia-questions/
Quote: 5. On the day of the crash Kiev intensified Kupol-M1 9S18 radar activity, key BUK system components. Why?
“Also, July 17 saw increased activity on the part of Ukraine’s Kupol-M1 9S18 radars, which are part of the Buk system. Here on this chart you see that there were seven radars operating on July 15, eight radars operating on July 16, and nine radars operating on July 17 in the area. Then, starting with July 18, the intensity of radar activities radically decreased, and now there are no more than two or three radars operating a day. The reason behind this is yet to be found.” Quote: 6. What was a military plane doing on the route intended for civilian flights?
“There were three civilian planes in the area performing their regular flights at this time. There was a flight from Copenhagen to Singapore at 17:17, there was a flight from Paris to Taipei at 17:24, and then there was the flight from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.”
“Also, Russian monitoring systems registered that there was a Ukrainian Air Force jet, probably Su-25, climbing and approaching the Malaysian Boeing.”
“The Su-25 was 3-5 km away from the Malaysian plane. Su-25 is capable of climbing to the altitude of 10,000 meters for a short period of time. Its standard armament includes R60 air-to-air missiles, which are capable of locking and hitting targets from 12 km and which are guaranteed to hit the target from the distance of 5 km.” Quote: 8. Where did the launcher – from the video circulated by Western media and showing a Buk system being moved allegedly from Ukraine to Russia – come from? As the video was made on the territory controlled by Kiev, where was the launcher being transported?
“I’d like to say that the information we have presented here is based on objective and reliable data from various technical systems – unlike the groundless accusations made against Russia,” said Kartopolov.
“For example, media circulated a video supposedly showing a Buk system being moved from Ukraine to Russia. This is clearly a fabrication. This video was made in the town of Krasnoarmeisk, as evidenced by the billboard you see in the background, advertising a car dealership at 34 Dnepropetrovsk Street. Krasnoarmeysk has been controlled by the Ukrainian military since May 11.” Quote:9. Where is it right now? Why are some of the missiles missing on the launcher? When was the last time a missile was launched from it? Everything in this saga reads @KIASH @KIASH @KIASH... Portfolio: Sold You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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