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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Ukweli Usemwe mnyonge hana haki. To be poor in Kenya is to be condemned as a human being. As this expose shows, the Kenyan Health sector has a long way to go. And paying workers will not solve the issue as these people employed to be "doctors/nurses/technicians" are just there to do a "JOB" or in the truest of words.....Murder, Maim, Impair. Its just terrible. PS @alma even if you dont like this woman's voice, she brings out a picture that is just TERRIBLE. God help us all. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Real solutions can only be created if our systems can be questioned at a deeper level than this. Perhaps a good start is how the values espoused by the individual can be shown to be inherently opposed to any decent human living.
It's a matter of re-evaluating our education and capacity for economic progress. And maybe not even you @Murchr is prepared for such a conversation, or action.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Ndemo did put forth several suggestions in yesterdays DN which include evaluating those who get into med sch before they get in the program. That "A" is not a real measure of qualification, there's need 4 us to learn from best practices applied elsewhere. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Ndemo did put forth several suggestions in yesterdays DN which include evaluating those who get into med sch before they get in the program. That "A" is not a real measure of qualification, there's need 4 us to learn from best practices applied elsewhere. How should students be evaluated? What country or countries should we emulate? And why haven't we been able to learn from such models?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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@murchr i have personal experience at KNH and other hospitals too. You have just spoiled my day and have reminded me why I hate this country. Was trying to be positive but just can't after watching that. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Very sad. Waiting for 3 hours at the EMERGENCY section? Ngai have mercy Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:Ndemo did put forth several suggestions in yesterdays DN which include evaluating those who get into med sch before they get in the program. That "A" is not a real measure of qualification, there's need 4 us to learn from best practices applied elsewhere. How should students be evaluated? What country or countries should we emulate? And why haven't we been able to learn from such models? Read Ndemos article "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2011 Posts: 125
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KNH under one Mr Lesiyampe (currently PS Environment) was on the was to recovery. When he came in (non-medic MBA), the senior consos looked down upon him. A year later, alikuwa amenyoosha sambamba: patient turn-around at A & E was less than 2 hrs at its worst (Fri nights), revenue collection streamlined, procurement theft at all time lows while staff morale was at all time highs. Threats kiasi, politics (mAFYA house), career progression then they put a surgeon (Dr Monda - great surgeon, pathetic manager) and now the beautiful (subjective) lady called Koros (HR)- compliant to the tribal and political forces at mAFYA house.
Been downhill since... And getting worse. Na bado
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:Ndemo did put forth several suggestions in yesterdays DN which include evaluating those who get into med sch before they get in the program. That "A" is not a real measure of qualification, there's need 4 us to learn from best practices applied elsewhere. How should students be evaluated? What country or countries should we emulate? And why haven't we been able to learn from such models? Read Ndemos article Thank you for the prompt @murchr. I have read it. Now what am wondering is whether we are supposed to be agreeing with Dr. Ndemo or are supposed to think along him.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/7/2014 Posts: 80 Location: West Coast
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So sad indeed! But why was the title 'Bweta La Uhalifu'? I thought it had to do with gangsters and that kind of vice before starting. Anyway, seems if you can't afford MP Shah, Aga Khan and other high end hospitals, getting quality medicare is a matter of luck! Don't Work Harder...Work Smarter!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:@murchr i have personal experience at KNH and other hospitals too.
You have just spoiled my day and have reminded me why I hate this country. Was trying to be positive but just can't after watching that. Rem i posted a thread about medical insurance,if you don't have it you are screwed up,we waste money on stupid things,judges get new mercs,county assembly cabinet ministers get new Mitsubishi pajeros,we are a screwed up country filled with selfish leaders...they should also do an expose of the other shithole called Mbagathi...does the president ever see this things?what does he feel?Is he proud that he heads a country where his own citizens cannot access much needed medical care?it's really sad to say the least. possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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tycho wrote:murchr wrote:tycho wrote:murchr wrote:Ndemo did put forth several suggestions in yesterdays DN which include evaluating those who get into med sch before they get in the program. That "A" is not a real measure of qualification, there's need 4 us to learn from best practices applied elsewhere. How should students be evaluated? What country or countries should we emulate? And why haven't we been able to learn from such models? Read Ndemos article Thank you for the prompt @murchr. I have read it. Now what am wondering is whether we are supposed to be agreeing with Dr. Ndemo or are supposed to think along him. What do you think?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/23/2009 Posts: 526
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Its the high time we questioned the Governors who are mainly buying ambulances on the health vote. The amounts of money used is enough to at least buy a dialysis machine and capacity building for the nurses' involved after the initial diagnosis. KNH is more about curative, if more money was channeled to preventive medicine, then some solution would be in sight. I think none of the county's has allocated at least 10% of its revenue towards health, and also the majority of us have no med insurance. Me think's that's the major problem we are faced with from individual to state. Accept no one's definition of your life; define your life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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kangi wrote:Its the high time we questioned the Governors who are mainly buying ambulances on the health vote. The amounts of money used is enough to at least buy a dialysis machine and capacity building for the nurses' involved after the initial diagnosis. KNH is more about curative, if more money was channeled to preventive medicine, then some solution would be in sight. I think none of the county's has allocated at least 10% of its revenue towards health, and also the majority of us have no med insurance. Me think's that's the major problem we are faced with from individual to state. @Kangi how many people can afford a yearly premium of lets say the 30k - 40k?So many would be left out... www.businessinsider.com/...in-the-world-2012-6?op=1What are this countries doing differently? KPMDU never wanted healthcare to be devolved coz of the nonsense the governor's would bring...you nailed it,you have a flashy ambulance but pathetic services,no equipment etc beats logic possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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kangi wrote:Its the high time we questioned the Governors who are mainly buying ambulances on the health vote. The amounts of money used is enough to at least buy a dialysis machine and capacity building for the nurses' involved after the initial diagnosis. KNH is more about curative, if more money was channeled to preventive medicine, then some solution would be in sight. I think none of the county's has allocated at least 10% of its revenue towards health, and also the majority of us have no med insurance. Me think's that's the major problem we are faced with from individual to state. A doc will tell you that there's no need for preventive medicine in Kenya, that we're all sick. But how does that help anyway if a doc will pass by you at the Emergency center instead of administering first aid? And was health better when it was under the central govt? I think its better devolved. What is needed is just leadership funding, and the right people working there "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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So now the doctors want to say that the reason they leave someone to die at casualty is because of devolution or lack of it? You now know the real problem with health care in Kenya....It's the PEOPLE working in the sector. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:So now the doctors want to say that the reason they leave someone to die at casualty is because of devolution or lack of it?
You now know the real problem with health care in Kenya....It's the PEOPLE working in the sector.
Word... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/1/2010 Posts: 3,024 Location: Hapa
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maka wrote:alma wrote:So now the doctors want to say that the reason they leave someone to die at casualty is because of devolution or lack of it?
You now know the real problem with health care in Kenya....It's the PEOPLE working in the sector.
Word... true. Ndemo has said it all Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/29/2006 Posts: 11 Location: Kisumu
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Very Sad indeed!God have mercy on the healthcare workers!
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/29/2006 Posts: 11 Location: Kisumu
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Very Sad indeed!God have mercy on the healthcare workers!
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