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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Yes, I am a renegade. I was born a slave, into a prison. MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. I escaped. Who says non-sense is bad? And why and how? If sense can be deceived by illusions is not sense then bad? As far as I can tell, non-sense is is not afflicted by the plagues of sense. Do you hope, or intend to make me understand your thoughts? Can you?
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:
What is it you don't agree with?
"the world we see is not real. It is a hologram, an illusion, projected by a 'master programmer.' Our senses cheat us that it is real." Who is the "master programmer"? How can science, our senses, cheat? Your senses cheat you all the time. Haven't you ever been scared by a shadow? Or hailed someone you thought you knew only to realize you were wrong? As for science....what can I say, it is an incomplete belief system and yes it cheats too. Who is the master programmer? That has been answered too. But perhaps a story will help to reinforce the answer:
REMEMBERING HOW TO FLYYou are in an aeroplane, an overnight flight to somewhere, perhaps in a 747. It is that time, just after dinner service. The lights have been deemed and people are settling down to sleep. Between a second glass of wine and the movie you have selected, you doze off. And you have a strange dream, a nightmare.
You dream that you are the pilot. You are carrying many passengers. You have a vague idea where you are going. But something has happened. You have forgotten how to fly. You know you used to know how to fly a plane; in fact the knowledge is somewhere just under the surface. But somehow you can’t get to it.
Suddenly the plane begins to lose height. You are scared. But this is a dream, right? So you force yourself to wake up. Only to realise that it was not a dream. You are in the pilot’s seat. There is no co-pilot, except a voice that is yelling at you: “Wake up! You must remember!”
The plane is now in a steep dive, minutes to crashing. Behind you the passengers are screaming in fear and confusion. There is only one way to save yourself, the plane and the passengers. You must remember how to fly."The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Yes, senses indeed can cheat. Check.
And science too. Check.
Who is the voice yelling at me to wake up and to remember?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Yes, I am a renegade. I was born a slave, into a prison. MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. I escaped. Who says non-sense is bad? And why and how? If sense can be deceived by illusions is not sense then bad? As far as I can tell, non-sense is is not afflicted by the plagues of sense. Do you hope, or intend to make me understand your thoughts? Can you? Can I what?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Muriel wrote:Yes, senses indeed can cheat. Check.
And science too. Check.
Who is the voice yelling at me to wake up and to remember? Your inner voice. It used to whisper, if you recall, but it has gotten quite loud of late. I would listen to it if I were you. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,237 Location: Vacuum
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Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Swenani wrote:Just passing by to say hi.Hope you are all well Hi Swenani. Thanks for passing by. When are we going to discuss the Metaphysics of fish eating? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Then go right ahead. Look, Swenani is waving. Wave back.
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