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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:
I have tried to introduce Keanu Reeves's Matrix movie into this discussion of networking for the specific reason it dealt with the illusory human perception of reality which is based on the habitual day to day choices people make in the world they live in and the need to break free from "this" world and make new choices.
I am saddened that my spark has not kindled any fire.
Don't be sad. I introduced the Holographic theory partly in response to your early reference to 'The Matrix.' The Wachovya brothers partly based their film plot on this theory and of course science fiction. But the point is the same: the world we see is not real. It is a hologram, an illusion, projected by a 'master programmer.' Our senses cheat us that it is real. Of course Hollywood needs excitement so they had to have kick ass fight sequences; a bunch of villains and a love interest to spice things up. The simple fact is you are the Master programmer; the software is 'Consciousness' and the hardware is the Singularity. It was a favourite film and I watched, nay, studied it several times over. On the face of it, it is about escaping the realm to attain higher status. I agree about your observations about it though I don't agree with it. Inside out, upside down, black is white. How?
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Wakanyugi wrote:
What is it you don't agree with?
"the world we see is not real. It is a hologram, an illusion, projected by a 'master programmer.' Our senses cheat us that it is real." Who is the "master programmer"? How can science, our senses, cheat?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Do you take it for its entertainment side or for its intrinsic side? Consider this, brother Symbols MORPHEUS: The Matrix is everywhere, it's all around us, here even in this room. You can see it out your window, or on your television. You feel it when you go to work, or go to church or pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. NEO: What truth? MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. Symbols, the truth. What is it?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:Do you take it for its entertainment side or for its intrinsic side? Consider this, brother Symbols MORPHEUS: The Matrix is everywhere, it's all around us, here even in this room. You can see it out your window, or on your television. You feel it when you go to work, or go to church or pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth. NEO: What truth? MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. Symbols, the truth. What is it? Both. You haven't answered my question 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:
What is it you don't agree with?
"the world we see is not real. It is a hologram, an illusion, projected by a 'master programmer.' Our senses cheat us that it is real." Who is the "master programmer"? How can science, our senses, cheat? The master programmer is the personification of the singularity. Senses can cheat, because they are prone to illusion. Science can cheat because it depends on the senses.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Symbols,
The rabbit hole, my brother, the rabbit hole.
My answer was couched in that brief dialogue which, I might add, is the gospel of the movie.
I filtered out the entertainment aspect, the explosions and what not and studied it. Knowing. Knowledge. Swallow the pill - and "know the truth".
Like brother says, senses can cheat because they are prone to illusion and science can cheat because it depends on the senses.
Inside out, upside down, black is white - only that the renegade does not rely on senses, does he?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:Symbols,
The rabbit hole, my brother, the rabbit hole.
My answer was couched in that brief dialogue which, I might add, is the gospel of the movie.
I filtered out the entertainment aspect, the explosions and what not and studied it. Knowing. Knowledge. Swallow the pill - and "know the truth".
Like brother says, senses can cheat because they are prone to illusion and science can cheat because it depends on the senses.
Inside out, upside down, black is white - only that the renegade does not rely on senses, does he? The puzzle is just as entertaining.What does he rely on? How would Neo know he didn't enter another matrix?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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If renegades don't rely on senses, then they rely on non-sense.
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tycho wrote:If renegades don't rely on senses, then they rely on non-sense. Hence their renegadeness. Their badge. Symbols, That is THE question. What is there to rely on that he is not in yet another Matrix? The word of Morpheus? The pill? Was there another matrix outside the matrix? Who will give another pill? Or an antidote? What role has sense in all this? What about non-sense?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:If renegades don't rely on senses, then they rely on non-sense. Hence their renegadeness. Their badge. Symbols, That is THE question. What is there to rely on that he is not in yet another Matrix? The word of Morpheus? The pill? Was there another matrix outside the matrix? Who will give another pill? Or an antidote? What role has sense in all this? What about non-sense? Was there another matrix,another pill or antidote?It wasn't in the movie.Just a thought.About sense and what to rely on,I think that's the same question I asked Wakanyugi.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Does that mean what you find to reliable or sensible is about you?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Does that mean what you find to reliable or sensible is about you? The 'I am'? Yes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Does that mean what you find to reliable or sensible is about you? The 'I am'? Yes. Are you the 'I am'?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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symbols wrote:Was there another matrix,another pill or antidote?It wasn't in the movie.Just a thought.About sense and what to rely on,I think that's the same question I asked Wakanyugi. How do you know there was not another matrix? What I know is that we were not shown if there was another matrix in the movie. There could have been one. Perhaps then, brother Wakanyugi can shed more light on this? Wakanyugi, yoohoo, you have swallowed the pill? Tell us what this is.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Does that mean what you find to reliable or sensible is about you? The 'I am'? Yes. Are you the 'I am'? It's not, 'The I am'. It's 'I am'. Having a 'the' is 'illusion'.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Yes, I am a renegade. I was born a slave, into a prison. MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. I escaped. Who says non-sense is bad? And why and how? If sense can be deceived by illusions is not sense then bad? As far as I can tell, non-sense is is not afflicted by the plagues of sense.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. Yes, I am a renegade. I was born a slave, into a prison. MORPHEUS: That you are a slave, Neo. That you, like everyone else, was born into bondage...... kept inside a prison that you cannot smell, taste, or touch. A prison for your mind. I escaped. Who says non-sense is bad? And why and how? If sense can be deceived by illusions is not sense then bad? As far as I can tell, non-sense is is not afflicted by the plagues of sense. Do you hope, or intend to make me understand your thoughts?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:ren·e·gade /ˈreniˌgād/
noun
a person who deserts and betrays an
organization, country, or set of principles.
adjective
having treacherously changed allegiance.
Sense is to be made reliable; non-sense, sense.
The 'antidote' is the Self. [b]Does that mean what you find to reliable or sensible is about you?[b] The 'I am'? Yes. Are you the 'I am'? It's not, 'The I am'. It's 'I am'. Having a 'the' is 'illusion'. Hmmmm.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The science of social networks is the Science of 'I am'.
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