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Muriel wrote:
As is intimately divergent.
And intimately convergent.
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Can a network be, without unity?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. Unity is marginal. Incidental. Irrelevant.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. An intersection without union?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. An intersection without union? Yes its Possible. Direction. Mixing. Agitation. Turbulence. Iron with clay.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion. That's also an illusion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. An intersection without union? Yes its Possible. Direction. Mixing. Agitation. Turbulence. Iron with clay. A network can be graphed. Are you talking of a network without a graph?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion. That's also an illusion. Thank you Tycho. You can test anything against the knowledge of your true self (Unity). In fact we do this all the time and only go 'wrong' when we ignore the verdict. But there is a counter question too: Does it matter whether something is illusion or not? Back to the house analogy, whether the house is illusion or not, the important thing is it serves your purpose, no? "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion. That's also an illusion. Thank you Tycho. You can test anything against the knowledge of your true self (Unity). In fact we do this all the time and only go 'wrong' when we ignore the verdict. But there is a counter question too: Does it matter whether something is illusion or not? Back to the house analogy, whether the house is illusion or not, the important thing is it serves your purpose, no? You don't see the dilemma.Purpose is also an illusion.'I' am supposedly an illusion.Everything is an illusion but my 'true self (Unity)' isn't an illusion.Your words and conclusions are supposed to be illusion.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion. That's also an illusion. Thank you Tycho. You can test anything against the knowledge of your true self (Unity). In fact we do this all the time and only go 'wrong' when we ignore the verdict. But there is a counter question too: Does it matter whether something is illusion or not? Back to the house analogy, whether the house is illusion or not, the important thing is it serves your purpose, no? You don't see the dilemma.Purpose is also an illusion.'I' am supposedly an illusion.Everything is an illusion but my 'true self (Unity)' isn't an illusion.Your words and conclusions are supposed to be illusion. Symbols, I don't see why this is is a dilemma. Illusion is a tool, one that we use to operate in this reality. We are playing a role here. Even the language we use is a pointer to that: we call ourselves Human-BEING. Not DOING, not ALREADY DONE; BEING. We are in a movie. One so exciting that sometimes it seems real. But of course it is not and it helps to occasionally remember that. One day the movie will end. Then we shall go 'home' and maybe say damn, that was a great movie! We should do that again. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion. That's also an illusion. Thank you Tycho. You can test anything against the knowledge of your true self (Unity). In fact we do this all the time and only go 'wrong' when we ignore the verdict. But there is a counter question too: Does it matter whether something is illusion or not? Back to the house analogy, whether the house is illusion or not, the important thing is it serves your purpose, no? You don't see the dilemma.Purpose is also an illusion.'I' am supposedly an illusion.Everything is an illusion but my 'true self (Unity)' isn't an illusion.Your words and conclusions are supposed to be illusion. Symbols, I don't see why this is is a dilemma. Illusion is a tool, one that we use to operate in this reality. We are playing a role here. Even the language we use is a pointer to that: we call ourselves Human-BEING. Not DOING, not ALREADY DONE; BEING. We are in a movie. One so exciting that sometimes it seems real. But of course it is not and it helps to occasionally remember that. One day the movie will end. Then we shall go 'home' and maybe say damn, that was a great movie! We should do that again. I have my own views and experiences and they contradict what you're saying but I also understand I can't prove them.It's the same way I know you can't prove yours.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@symbols, how is it possible to understand that no proof is available? What does a proof imply?
Again, unity isn't opposed to contradiction. In fact, contradiction implies unity.
Lol, when is a proof possible?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:@symbols, how is it possible to understand that no proof is available? What does a proof imply?
Again, unity isn't opposed to contradiction. In fact, contradiction implies unity.
Lol, when is a proof possible? And you are yet to show me Big brother is me or morality is mathematics 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:@symbols, how is it possible to understand that no proof is available? What does a proof imply?
Again, unity isn't opposed to contradiction. In fact, contradiction implies unity.
Lol, when is a proof possible? And you are yet to show me Big brother is me or morality is mathematics Red herring, @symbols. At least the post is asking whether you can identify a proof if you see one. Please read carefully.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:symbols wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:
Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals.
Clash!
Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life!
The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion. That's also an illusion. Thank you Tycho. You can test anything against the knowledge of your true self (Unity). In fact we do this all the time and only go 'wrong' when we ignore the verdict. But there is a counter question too: Does it matter whether something is illusion or not? Back to the house analogy, whether the house is illusion or not, the important thing is it serves your purpose, no? You don't see the dilemma.Purpose is also an illusion.'I' am supposedly an illusion.Everything is an illusion but my 'true self (Unity)' isn't an illusion.Your words and conclusions are supposed to be illusion. Symbols, I don't see why this is is a dilemma. Illusion is a tool, one that we use to operate in this reality. We are playing a role here. Even the language we use is a pointer to that: we call ourselves Human-BEING. Not DOING, not ALREADY DONE; BEING. We are in a movie. One so exciting that sometimes it seems real. But of course it is not and it helps to occasionally remember that. One day the movie will end. Then we shall go 'home' and maybe say damn, that was a great movie! We should do that again. I have my own views and experiences and they contradict what you're saying but I also understand I can't prove them.It's the same way I know you can't prove yours. That is OK, no one holds a monopoly of knowledge. Which is why it helps to test everything your hear or read against your 'inner knowing.' Does this 'feel true?' If the answer is no, then it is not true for you, no matter who says otherwise. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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