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tycho		#101 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 12:48:47 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		Muriel wrote: As is intimately divergent. And intimately convergent.
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Wakanyugi		#102 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:28:21 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635		symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Muriel wrote: Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals. Clash! Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life! The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? *"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."* (Niels Bohr)
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symbols		#103 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:32:24 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		Wakanyugi wrote: symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Muriel wrote: Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals. Clash! Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life! The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion?
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Wakanyugi		#104 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:44:06 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635		symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Muriel wrote: Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals. Clash! Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life! The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. *"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."* (Niels Bohr)
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tycho		#105 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:50:06 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		Can a network be, without unity?
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symbols		#106 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:50:48 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552		Wakanyugi wrote: symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Muriel wrote: Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals. Clash! Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life! The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion?
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Muriel		#107 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:56:35 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142		tycho wrote: Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. Unity is marginal. Incidental. Irrelevant.
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tycho		#108 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 2:58:29 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. An intersection without union?
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Muriel		#109 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:00:15 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142		tycho wrote: Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Can a network be, without unity? Yes. A network implies interchanges. Intersections. Seeming conflicts and cross purposes. An intersection without union? Yes its Possible. Direction. Mixing. Agitation. Turbulence. Iron with clay.
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tycho		#110 Posted : Wednesday, July 16, 2014 3:00:21 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi		symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: symbols wrote: Wakanyugi wrote: Muriel wrote: tycho wrote: Muriel wrote: Back then to the old question: absoluteness or relativity of morals. Clash! Keanu Reeves's Matrix in real life! The 'clash' between relativity and absoluteness has always been there. It's hard wired to life. Or would you say that the new born for example doesn't experience this conflict? Yet maturity and growth is about balancing the conflict. Hence control is an illusion. So is oneness. All existence is illusion. You are illusion and so am I. Of course some illusions are given more importannce than others. Methinks it is time we brought the illusion of separation down a notch or two. If existence is illusion,how can you make conclusions based on that illusion? Why not? In this reality, illusion is all we have to work with. Take a look at the wall in front of you. Your senses tell you that it is solid. Extend your senses by using, say, an X-ray machine or a particle accelerator. Suddenly the wall is not solid any more. Does that stop you from trusting the capacity of the house to shelter you from the elements? Is illusion an illusion? Yes it is. Anything we generate is illusion. Absent us and it is no longer there. Unity is the only non illusion. The true reality from which all else is projected. How do I know what you're saying isn't an illusion? By testing against non illusion.
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